Speaker 1 00:00:03 Hi, and welcome to does this make me local, a podcast about aging as gracefully as possible when you're just not ready for two 40 something year old friends will find themselves kind of straddling that really odd period of time when aging and everything that it's associated with is starting to become a much bigger part of our lives. We're definitely curious, but at the same time, rather terrified about aging. I'm Schiff. I'm a health science nerd and pop culture themes, and I'm SIM and adult and waiting obsessed with finance and self-help books. We're going to be talking about the stereotypes of aging and how they affect us. And we'll also be doing some deeper dives into some interesting topics, such as what it's like to get old in the society dating when you're older and scientific advancements in anti-aging products and even evolution and scientific thinking around aging and throughout it all, we chat rant, laugh about our adulting mishaps of which there are so, so, so many. So join us as we navigate our second quarter-life crisis.
Speaker 0 00:01:08 Hi, welcome to this week's episode of does this make me look old? I am shown
Speaker 2 00:01:13 And I'm Sam. How's it going? Shifts not bad. How are you? Not too bad.
Speaker 0 00:01:18 That's good. Um, yeah. Sorry. I'm like it's late at night. I'm like, do we go into small talk? I don't know. I don't really feel like I can be like, how was your week? What are you doing? I'm like, no.
Speaker 2 00:01:30 And it's like, at this point I don't actually give a fuck. You know what? My friends, I love you enough. And I know you love me and that's, that's that's enough for me today. Okay,
Speaker 0 00:01:45 Good.
Speaker 2 00:01:47 Actually give a fuck.
Speaker 0 00:01:51 I know. So sorry. So listeners offline, we were chatting and we're just like, we've just come to the realization that we're just being like extremely irritable. Like I've, I've been extremely irritable, like for days
Speaker 2 00:02:04 I feel terrible for decades.
Speaker 0 00:02:09 Yeah, exactly. So hopefully you don't have to join us on our journey of irritability, but yeah, but I think that,
Speaker 2 00:02:19 Does that make us curmudgeons?
Speaker 0 00:02:23 I don't know. I feel like if it's sustained irritability over many, many months, that could be, we would be on the road to being curmudgeonly. I agree. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:02:35 And you don't think I've been?
Speaker 0 00:02:38 No, I don't think so. No, I don't think you, I don't think you've sustained. Long-term irritability to the point of being a curmudgeon,
Speaker 2 00:02:51 I guess. Um, you know what, thank God for small mercies, but it doesn't feel like it.
Speaker 0 00:02:58 I know I'm like, yeah, I guess that sounds very medically, but like, yeah. I'm like, it's not even really a medical term, but a part of me wonders if I would be happy. I don't know that I would like to be a curmudgeon. Okay. Okay. Here's an existential question. Existential question. Are you born into being a curmudgeon or can you be, or does the environment make you a curmudgeon? And if the environment makes you a curmudgeon, are you happy to be in karma or not? Because you weren't ever really a curmudgeon to begin with.
Speaker 2 00:03:48 Um, okay. Let me process that question.
Speaker 0 00:03:52 It's a several part question.
Speaker 2 00:03:54 So, okay. I personally lean towards the fact that you are made to be a curmudgeon. Okay. Um,
Speaker 0 00:04:05 Some people are born curmudgeonly. They're like some people who are just like irritable from the get go. I feel like I know, I know I have known some people like that.
Speaker 2 00:04:14 Yeah. What a week or just grumpy.
Speaker 0 00:04:19 Isn't that also the definition of being curmudgeonly? Aren't you just grumpy,
Speaker 2 00:04:24 I guess.
Speaker 0 00:04:26 I don't know. Do we need to define what a curmudgeon is
Speaker 2 00:04:30 Now? In my head, I was just picturing, uh, Mr. Wilson from Dennis the menace.
Speaker 0 00:04:36 Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:04:38 Oh, I guess it means a bad tempered person, especially an old one.
Speaker 0 00:04:45 So then, okay.
Speaker 2 00:04:47 It's
Speaker 0 00:04:48 Specifically a minute. Yeah. Is it
Speaker 2 00:04:50 Specific to old people? I guess, but typically I guess, cause it says basically, uh, definitions from Oxford languages. Mind you, so like, okay, Fine. If we must,
Speaker 0 00:05:08 Uh, I need to know for all the sources.
Speaker 2 00:05:12 Oh, Webster is even meaner. It says crusty ill tempered and usually old man.
Speaker 0 00:05:22 Oh, there's a gender aspect to it too. Oh, okay. That's too funny. Okay. I take offense to that. I think you could be an old woman. That's a curmudgeon,
Speaker 2 00:05:36 Uh, female curmudgeon, sir is Terma gent. Which means a mean-spirited or angry moment. Why does it have to be mean-spirited?
Speaker 0 00:05:48 No. Yeah. Oh, the curmudgeon wasn't mean-spirited ill tell her. Oh, okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:05:57 That's not nice. I don't think that's
Speaker 0 00:05:59 Nice at all. I don't
Speaker 2 00:06:00 Like it. No, I'm not liking this either. Okay. So that's another thing to rant about because I am seriously annoyed means a mean spirited or angry woman. Right. And I might be saying it wrong. So it's T E R M a G a N T <inaudible> to her magic.
Speaker 0 00:06:22 I don't know what you should do. You should do that Google thing where it like says the says the word. Yeah, yeah. You know, and that AI speak. It's never, it's never quite right.
Speaker 2 00:06:36 I will. I just don't know if we're allowed to do that and record. So, um, again, I'm like, I don't know, but why does a woman have to be angry and mean spirited, but a guy gets to just be ill tempered. That's
Speaker 0 00:06:52 It ill tempered angry.
Speaker 2 00:06:54 Yes. But it sounds like it's like doublespeak. It's like corporate speak. It's like, you're not angry. I am tempered tempered,
Speaker 0 00:07:05 But it just sounds nicer.
Speaker 2 00:07:07 I don't know if yeah. Jerks. I'm very angry.
Speaker 0 00:07:11 Yeah. I know. I'm just, yeah. I'm irritable. I'm like, yeah. Cause right after we pot, I have to go back to work. So I'm kind of
Speaker 2 00:07:20 Dictionary.com defines a curmudgeon as a bad temper, difficult Kang Taurus can contend cantankerous. Thank you. I love you always, you know, know the exact right way to pronounce a word, um, person. So you know what dictionary.com for the win most neutral
Speaker 0 00:07:41 And age neutral too.
Speaker 2 00:07:44 Yeah. So I like them. I like them. Yeah. Well back back to, you know, whether or not we're car matches, clearly we're not ill tempered nor crusty, nor angry. I'm angry at the moment, but like not, you know,
Speaker 0 00:08:07 As permanently angry permanent state. Yeah. No
Speaker 2 00:08:10 It's not permanent.
Speaker 0 00:08:11 Yeah. Although honestly, sometimes I feel like this might become my permanent state. It's been going on for a while. It may never leave.
Speaker 2 00:08:27 I think as long as we can figure out or find ways to laugh about it, we'll be okay.
Speaker 0 00:08:33 Okay. Uh, okay. Okay. So, okay. So according to dictionary.com, you could technically be any age,
Speaker 2 00:08:41 So it's possible to gender. Okay.
Speaker 0 00:08:45 So you could technically be born a curmudgeon
Speaker 2 00:08:48 Technically.
Speaker 0 00:08:50 Yeah. Or I guess be made into a curmudgeon. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 2 00:08:54 But then it gets everything it's like nature and
Speaker 0 00:08:56 Nurture. I think that's the answer to everything. Just like diet and exercise. That's the second t-shirt nature nurture,
Speaker 2 00:09:05 Nurture or in
Speaker 0 00:09:13 Yep. Yep. Nature and nurture diet and exercise. Oh my God. Yeah. So, Hmm. Yeah. So I guess I might be on my way to curmudgeon hood.
Speaker 2 00:09:30 What would help you think? What would help you to think to, for you to be less of a curmudgeon as you get older?
Speaker 0 00:09:39 Uh,
Speaker 2 00:09:40 Or at least prevent this?
Speaker 0 00:09:42 Yeah. I don't know. I could cry. I get cranky and irritable about everything nowadays. You know, what actually would make me less cranky. If I had less to do with computers, I think I would, it would just infinitely make my life better. Like I find that I just get so irritated with them. Like, I don't know. Like I get irritated when they autocorrect. I get irritated when they don't auto-correct I get irritated when like they are, when they do what I want, but like when I didn't want it done, you know, anyway, I just can't, I just can't explain it today. I was like sitting at my computer and like, it was so slow. And then, so I was getting all pissy because it was going so slow. And then like I did something else. It was like a function and I wanted it. I thought I hit, like I opened something and then I thought, I didn't want it open. So I canceled it. But then it took like five minutes to do what I asked it to. And then I realized I did want it. And then I was like, oh, it's okay. Because it's taking so long, opening it up that I doubt that it would have like caught onto the fact that I accidentally closed it when I didn't want to. And then, but it did. So that opened it up and then it closed it and I was just like, no. And then I was like, I have to open you up again and wait.
Speaker 0 00:11:08 I think that's yeah. I think a lot of my anger would disappear would totally dissipate if I didn't have to use computers.
Speaker 2 00:11:16 Um, I think, I don't know about computers, but I just need everything to be more convenient. I'm just, I just need everything to just work out and smoothly. Like I don't want to deal with making decisions half the time. Um, I just want, you know, uh, I just want like whatever gadgets and gizmos and tools or magic or whatever it is, you know, to just figure out what's on my mind. Yes. And make that decision for me as in, I don't want to talk about it. Like, you know, it's like, what do you want for lunch? And I'll just sort of just be like, it's lunchtime and there'll be like, ah, SIM once, you know, you
Speaker 0 00:12:08 Want something to read your mind basically. Yes,
Speaker 2 00:12:10 Exactly. Yeah. Read my mind and then time the order perfectly.
Speaker 0 00:12:16 Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:12:17 Yeah. So maybe it's like advancement of computers
Speaker 0 00:12:23 You want, like, but then see, okay. The problem with this though, all as all scientific fiction has taught us, is that what you want is like practically sentient AI. And that always goes badly.
Speaker 2 00:12:41 And of course it goes back. It always goes back to me. Wasn't it Elon Musk who basically said that the cyborgs are gonna take over the world or the robots are gonna take over the
Speaker 0 00:12:52 World because that's
Speaker 2 00:12:53 Basically, yeah. That's basically what's going to happen.
Speaker 0 00:12:57 I find literature has taught us from the get-go.
Speaker 2 00:13:03 Um, and I guess I'm thinking
Speaker 0 00:13:07 That you're okay with it.
Speaker 2 00:13:09 Maybe
Speaker 0 00:13:09 You're like, I'm okay with this
Speaker 2 00:13:12 Just for today. Because like, I mean, tell me like, what's great about being led by humans and having them not read my mind, not give me whatever I want and still create world problems and still like, you know, have all these issues to deal with like pick, you know, world hunger, poverty, everything, wars and famine. Like everything's just there climate change, like it's, you know, I know we haven't solved anyway. Yeah. So what's the big deal might as well just die.
Speaker 0 00:13:49 Oh my God. What I find, what I find really funny is that we're both irritable. I want nothing to do with technology. I'm like, I'm looking with, Beka hermit with like no access to a computer and you're like, I want all the technology.
Speaker 2 00:14:06 <inaudible> just, yeah. I am tired operating on, like, I don't know, two and a half hours of sleep.
Speaker 0 00:14:25 Oh my God. Oh actually, yes. Speaking up. I think I was reading this article the other day. Cause like I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2 00:14:34 Let's do you read just for a sidebar? I know I'm right, but sidebar. Yeah. I probably,
Speaker 0 00:14:40 I think at least, at least a handful a day, at least a handful. If not, yeah. If not more, I try to. Yeah, no. The is, is like, well, I, yeah, I mean, at the end of the day I remember the gist of them, but then I can't go back and tell you, like, I don't have like one of those amazing memories where I'm like, oh, I was reading in scientific reports. It's like, blah, blah, blah, or volume and whatnot. You know that I can't do, but I'm just like, I can give you the gist. Like, oh, it was like a small study in the,
Speaker 2 00:15:10 Nobody you'll remember like obscure detail details as well. Like you'll be like, say like, you know, there are like the number 30 in line too. Like you've done that. You know,
Speaker 0 00:15:23 I guess if it's relevant, if it's relevant, I'll remember it. But otherwise I'm not that great. I had, I knew this guy that I worked with and he had like, you know, Marilu Henner from like taxi. She has that like photogenic memory and can remember like random, like if you give her a date, she'll remember what she was doing on that day. I knew a guy like that and I was just like, damn it. That must be so awesome. You've just like, remember everything, but anyway,
Speaker 2 00:15:48 Very awesome. Do you remember the show suits? Yeah. Um, the, oh my God, the younger guy. What was his name? Mike? He had that photographic memory, right. Like where he would just read something or look at something and just remember
Speaker 0 00:16:03 Everything.
Speaker 2 00:16:05 And I was like, so jealous and then I'm very forgetful. Like, you know, Shiv knows this for the readers or they're like your listeners readers that I'm basically in our friend circle, I'm Dory. I'm the person who will forget and everything that there is to forget. Oh. So I've always had like, I can't even blame it on old age. Right. Like when I get older that, oh, I'm older now. So I'm, you know, my memory is fading. Like it's never been there.
Speaker 0 00:16:44 I know. I know. Yeah. It's just like, this is just who I am.
Speaker 2 00:16:51 Let's do, buddy. So, yeah. So, um, I guess what I was saying was that, you know, I'm literally Dory from finding Nemo just don't remember anything.
Speaker 0 00:17:02 Oh yeah. Yeah. So what I wanted to say, so I was reading this article the other day about sleep deprivation and cognitive decline. And so there's a study that was done. And then they, I think it was, I feel like, want to know don't quote me. I was going to say it was in JAMA, but it might not have been. But anyway, so then, um, they had done, um, they had looked at older adults and they found that if you have less than four and a half hours of sleep, or more than six and a half hours of sleep, then that was associated with cognitive decline. But then like another, I know, I know. But then another article that I had I now, and then another article I had read though, so, okay. Yeah. For this article, both lack of sleep less than four and a half and like more than six and a half was associate with cognitive decline.
Speaker 0 00:17:57 Like I think they didn't actually, um, divided up any further. Um, so cause I think they had looked at people who had like mild dementia and pre clinical dementia. So then, um, but who had like who had, but I think that they, they had performed poorly on like cognitive tests, which was sick, which was a significant enough that they were worried that they would progress to dementia basically. But then I had read another article that said that if you got less than, I think it was four hours of sleep. And if you got more than seven hours of sleep, it was associated with, um, it was associated with poor functioning on these cognitive tests. But that only the people who had less than four hours of sleep were actually, it was, was in which it was actually associated with like real cognitive decline in the people who had seven or more hours of sleep. They couldn't actually correlate it with cognitive decline. Some of those people perform poorly on those tests, but may not necessarily have cognitive decline, which made me think that like they could have had other mental disorders like depression or something like that, which can some, sometimes like can sometimes interfere with the testing. And so anyway, it's kind of interesting. So clearly more work needs to be done, but basically you need sleep. This is what I, this is what I've come to understand.
Speaker 2 00:19:28 Arianna Huffington would agree. I would totally support any initiative that promotes more sleep, Something beautiful about that.
Speaker 0 00:19:45 I'm very pro sleep. I'm very pro sleep, but I'm very annoyed that more than seven hours is considered leg associated cognitive decline because everyone knows I love to sleep in my dammit.
Speaker 2 00:19:59 No, I, I know that I definitely need to improve my sleep. I'm sleeping patterns because I tend to oscillate between sleeping for two, three hours a night and then randomly sleeping like 10 hours, you know? And, and it's just really annoying. It's very annoying to my sense of routine. And it's, it's gotten worse. I used to always be a light sleeper. So I used to sleep on average four and a half to five hours of sleep probably explains the cognitive decline that's happening now, but that's always like my entire life, right? Like I've always been like, you know, going to bed around 12, you know, whatever, waking up like by five. Um, but now it's that pattern of like really long nights staying up and you know, uh, being very tired. And then after three or four days of that just crashing the sleep.
Speaker 0 00:21:04 Yeah. I know. I have a feeling. I have a feeling that pattern is bad too, which is I kind of my pattern as well. Like sometimes I pull all nighters and then it's just like, and then I have to crash the next day. It's like, it's never, it's never good. Yeah. And then, so like you go with like no sleep over two days and then it's just like all this sleep over one
Speaker 2 00:21:26 Yeah. Bank all those hours. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:21:30 I know. I think they've shown that that is not good for mental. Yeah. It's not good for mental capacity.
Speaker 2 00:21:38 So I'm like, listen, if you can actually make money while you're not sleeping, you can actually get yourself a membership at the LUNGevity house. That's not.
Speaker 0 00:21:50 Yeah. I know. Oh my God. I read. Yeah. I read about that. Like, yeah. So, okay. So for our listeners who don't know, they're opening up a quote longevity house in Toronto with like plans to open up with plans to open another one up in at, well, actually. So there's going to be two opening up in Toronto. There's one Saturday open and another one that's being planned to open. And then I think they're opening up one in New York and Miami.
Speaker 2 00:22:19 I know the source of this article.
Speaker 0 00:22:24 I know, I know I saw this the minute I saw this, I was like, I texted it to, to seminars just like podcast topic. And she was like, yes, please. <inaudible>
Speaker 2 00:22:37 Well, I don't know about you. Okay. But did it trigger anything for you?
Speaker 0 00:22:47 So many things like, okay, well now it's so for one thing. Okay. Okay. Oh my God. Okay. I'm just so annoyed by it. All that I just have to like have to calm down
Speaker 2 00:23:02 Basically. Okay. While you are articulating or gathering your thoughts, I'll give a little bit of a rundown on what the article was about. Okay. Yes, yes, no. Um, would the help, so I'll be paraphrasing here. If you guys, you know, want to read it, um, the articles on blog to you came out like, I don't know, a few days ago. So sometime in, in, in November and um, early November. And so basically the whole idea is that it's, uh, ultra exclusive members club quote unquote, and that's in quotation, um, purpose to extend the lives of its members through biohacking, plant medicine and various cutting edge technologies. And, uh, you know, and it's basically, I think you pay a ho yes, you do not. I think the price is like a hundred thousand dollars and, and basically you get access to whatever, you know, amenities and workshops and, you know, facilities that they have. And the whole idea is basically you extend your life and optimize your, I guess, your life and wellbeing overall. Right?
Speaker 0 00:24:17 Yeah. So they, yeah. So according to the article, the club says it can help members live up until the age of 120 and in good shape to thanks to quote, improved health spans. So like, yeah. So there's this whole movement now in like the anti-aging community, I don't know. I don't know what to call it, but a biohacking slash anti-aging community like to improve not only lifespan, but to actually improve your health as well. So that,
Speaker 2 00:24:50 I mean, that's actually a good concept. Right. Well, do things like, you know, um, so what's triggering,
Speaker 0 00:24:59 Oh my God. So much. Okay. So first of all, the one thing that's triggering is like the price tag. So yeah. So like if you have $100,000 just lying around, then you can have access to this club, but like nobody else does. Do you know what I mean? So, um, although I wonder if it's one of these things where eventually it'll kind of trickle down the other health.
Speaker 2 00:25:26 Yeah. We'll have to trickle down, right. Like, uh, the nature of, of this, but, but it's the, I guess it's the principle of the issue, right?
Speaker 0 00:25:35 Where, you know, only, only like a certain, like a certain percentage of the population can really actually, you know, do this quite easily. And then the other thing that bothers me though, I started looking at the service menu and I was just like, where is the clinical data for all of this? I would like to actually see that these like treatments that they're getting done are actually like really improving the quality. Like not only the quality of your life, but the span of your life. Like, like so much of, it just sounds like airy fairy Venus. And like, you could technically be spending $100,000 of your money and have nothing happen. And like, and it's the best, like, um, like it's, it's such a great scam in a sense that like you would never know, you would just like continue to do these things. And like, if you live long than it worked, but you've just never know if you will live that long. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's just
Speaker 2 00:26:37 An attendant to live long, you know,
Speaker 0 00:26:40 It doesn't matter. Yeah. And then it doesn't matter because your dead,
Speaker 2 00:26:44 Um, but I mean, it is, it's such a foreign concept though, right. Because, um, and, and, and we've talked about this and we've also found other articles and stuff that, you know, studies actually do show that rich people live healthier lives, longer lives, I should say. Right. Not healthy. Yes. I mean, whatever. Um, but apparently it's a thing.
Speaker 0 00:27:09 Yes. But okay. No, so there, it that's true. Okay. So that is true. Like you're not, um, yeah, you're not wrong about that, but the thing is, is that like the, I have a feeling that the reason that quote, richer people live longer isn't because they're doing these like weirdo, like weirdo exercises it's because they have better access to health care and, you know, like it's more like, um, and they've actually shown this. So I was reading this, I was reading this other article. I was like, it was Canadian based. So like, I think you sent me an article, um, that was, um, that was based out of the U S in the UK. And it showed like on average that like the wealthier people with a median wealth like that, that, uh, was considered like high. And I think the average, I think the average wealth of those people was like $980,000.
Speaker 2 00:28:06 Oh
Speaker 0 00:28:07 Yeah. Like they, they had a life span that was nine years longer than people who are on the poor end of the spectrum. Right. But honestly, like, especially in the us, like, I mean, the UK, it's interesting that the health disparities that high, they did say though that the health disparity between, they did say that the wealth disparity in the UK and the U S was quite high, which I was like, kind of surprised by, because I was like, don't, doesn't the UK have a national health care system.
Speaker 2 00:28:39 Yeah. They do.
Speaker 0 00:28:40 So, yeah. So I was just saying, it's interesting that even in that case, there's still a health disparity among like the richest and the poorest people. Right. But anyway, so like, yeah. So, um, I, I don't know if I explained myself well, but like between the richest and the poorest people, there was like a nine year gap in terms of their lifespans. So, um, which is significant. But I honestly think a lot of that is just because the wealthier you are, the more honestly, the more control you have over your time and you have better access to healthcare. Right. Like you have better access to all sorts of things that like, can promote health, better access to food, better access to, um, like physicians, um, you know, like better access to preventative care. Right. Like, um, so yeah, so w which is kind of why I find this longevity house kind of, I don't know, like kind of funny in some ways I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2 00:29:40 Me is that the flagship house started in Toronto of all places I would have expected LA or, you know.
Speaker 0 00:29:49 Yeah. But I literally would have associated in American city for this for sure. Or New York, you know, I
Speaker 2 00:29:56 Honestly, I would've totally expected, um, LA for sure. Or like, you know, Santa Monica or, you know, like that area, right. Southern soul pal for sure. Um, Miami would be the other city, right? Like there are certain places where I would have expected this, um, house, uh, to be this, you know, the flagship place. And then to read that not only are they opening up that not only have they opened up one place in Toronto, they're opening up a second one before they even venture out to the states. And, um, like I don't obviously know their membership and stuff, but clearly they must have started recruiting people or, you know, clients yeah.
Speaker 0 00:30:39 According to the article they already have. Right. They already
Speaker 2 00:30:42 Have like what 30 people or so.
Speaker 0 00:30:44 Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean,
Speaker 2 00:30:48 Yeah, that's the part that surprised me where it's kind of like, don't get me wrong. Like, you know, like some of the stuff that he talked about, like, you know, red light therapy or something, I know that, you know, in facials and stuff like that, like those are technologies that I guess are used as, you know, in some way or form. So I get like, you know, that you would want to partake in, in those things, but to actually brand it and market it as an exclusive, um, treatment. Right. Like, I don't know. I think that's the part that's getting to me where it's kind of like packaged and, and made exclusive for, you know, a subgroup of people,
Speaker 0 00:31:30 The society. Yeah, exactly. I know. Yeah. Well, see, and that's the other thing, Mike, like I think the scientific part of me just kind of gets annoyed by it too, because, because I think that what bothers me is that like, like, yeah, like I guess the question is, is that, are these therapies actually helping these people live longer? Or are these people living longer simply because they're rich? Do you know what I mean? Like, cause I mean, you just said like that. I mean, you know, we were just talking about that article, um, in which they were looking at the UK and the U S but like, it's been shown in Canada too, like in BC, like according to different, like, um, they did this study where they actually looked at different neighborhoods and like, depending on the average wealth in the neighborhood, those people lived longer.
Speaker 0 00:32:22 And so like somebody who is living in, for example, like Yaletown in like BC, like they would do, like, they would live substantially longer than somebody who's living on east Hastings. And so for people like, so for listeners who don't know, who don't have never lived in like BC, like, um, you know, like there's certain neighborhoods in vain, like in Vancouver and like in BC, in general that are like wealthier than others. And east Hastings is known to be like one of the poorest neighborhoods. It's it's, it has like a very high population of drug users in it and, and, you know, and homeless people. And so, I don't know, like, it just bothers me, you know, I'm just like, there's so much that you can do in order to help people live better lives. And so much of it just has to do with just access to healthcare and, you know, just just general.
Speaker 2 00:33:18 Yeah. I live in a country technically where we have universal healthcare and there's such a disparity. Exactly. Um, it's heartbreaking and
Speaker 0 00:33:31 Yeah. Yeah. But then, and then now there's this like exclusive members only club
Speaker 2 00:33:38 Where they're capitalizing on and creating a society where it's something to be sought after. Right. And it really does shift the mindset, um, towards wanting this and wanting to keep it exclusive because then the rest of us can be aspirational. And I don't know, I think I'm just annoyed.
Speaker 0 00:34:04 We're just, yes. We're just being curmudgeonly today.
Speaker 2 00:34:08 Luckily, today having said that, do I want to have a hundred thousand dollars worth of money that I can spend on frivolous things? The answer is a hundred percent. Yes.
Speaker 0 00:34:25 Yeah, no, no. I get that. I feel the same way. But then on the, on the other hand, like the science-y part of me is just like, show me the data. Like I want to see how these, like, things that you're doing, like actually helped me live longer and like live a better life. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's just strange. Like, I mean, yeah. I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 0 00:34:51 Well, the funny thing is though, is that like, um, and I'll just touch on this very briefly because I think we'll probably want to do a very deep dive into biohacking, but like, you know, like I just find it really interesting that like all of these Silicon valley investors are into taking all these pills and potions and whatnot in order to like live better lives, you know? And like, but then like it's an N when you talk to them, they will probably say it's based on data because there'll be like, oh, I read this article in like the journal of gerontology or whatever it is. And then like that showed that, this, that, and the other. And like, I mean, I think like you showed me an article about like some Russian billionaire who was like biohacking his way into like a better life. And like he said, that he was using like Metformin as way of like engineering is a better health span.
Speaker 0 00:35:41 Right. And the thing is, and then like in the funny thing is, is like Blake, so seminar, we're talking about it, this and I was just like, yeah. Okay. That's great. I've read that article too. About how Metformin did help, like, you know, improve aging in like mice and humans. But like the study population was so small. It was like, okay. So you'd like take this data from like, I don't know, a dozen people. And then you extrapolate it into thinking that like, you can suddenly like outlive everybody. I'm like, no, you need to do this on like, on a grander scale to see if it actually means something, you know, like it's just so ridiculous. I don't know. Sorry, I'm just getting annoyed now. And then the science of it just like bothers me. I'm like, just take this drug without knowing whether or not it'll really help.
Speaker 2 00:36:27 I just found the article that talked about this and it basically, um, whatever his name is, I can't pronounce it. So I'm not even going to try, um, uh, basically that, uh, tech CEO said, uh, basically he says that, you know, he wants to, um, he intends to live forever emerging with robots and becoming an ultra human
Speaker 0 00:36:54 That's kind of what you want. You want the robots,
Speaker 2 00:36:59 The common ultra human, this guy sounds creepy. And all of a sudden, I don't know if I don't want to merge with robots. I just want them to read my mind and just get me my Coke zero, when I'm Very, very low ambitious.
Speaker 0 00:37:20 I don't even want an increased health span. I just want my Coke zero when I asked for it.
Speaker 2 00:37:24 Right. It's kind of like, you know, I'm working right now and I'm getting hungry or peckish and I just want, you know, whatever this robot is to just basically read my mind, figure out what I want, make it, and then bring, bring it while I'm working. You know, like
Speaker 0 00:37:43 You basically want a robot Butler. Who's tuned to what
Speaker 2 00:37:47 Exactly like, you know, um, so that's all I want. It's like, it's not a big deal. Oh. But, but listen to this. So apparently, uh, bill Maris, founder, and former CEO of Google ventures, right. Formed this company, um, whatever it's called and its sole aim of which is to solve death.
Speaker 0 00:38:09 Oh, well he just wants like immortal puzzle.
Speaker 2 00:38:13 I guess it's called Calico. I mean, this is a very old article from like 2018, um, in the guardian. But I, and I have never done any research into this, so I don't know, but, but the company's called Calico, which is an acronym for California life company. And the sole aim of this company is to solve death. And this, someone called Sean Parker, who was apparently the former Facebook president.
Speaker 0 00:38:46 Wasn't he? Justin Timberlake on the social network. Oh,
Speaker 2 00:38:51 I think he was, oh, okay. So listen to this. He said, because I'm a billionaire, I'm going to access, I'm going to have access to better healthcare. So I'm going to be like 160 and I'm going to be a part of this class of immortal overlords.
Speaker 0 00:39:09 Oh my God, this is what they want. Oh my goodness. Oh, wow. See, I bet you that this is, this is what that company in Toronto. I bet you, that's what their membership is. Like, they're like, let's live to like a hundred and you know, like, well beyond a hundred and just like, yeah. I don't know. I don't know that I even want to live that long. To be honest, I was just
Speaker 2 00:39:40 Going to say like why.
Speaker 0 00:39:42 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:39:43 Um, yeah, no, no ideas. Um, yeah. I don't know, actually, if I would want to live that long, um, I know I am gonna make a statement and it's a bold statement. Maybe it would be a bold statement for these folks, the rich ones, but I don't think I would want to live long enough, um, in a society where, um, you know, your life is lengthened or, you know, like you can live longer only if you have money, you know? Yeah. Like, I don't know if I want to live in a society like that. It makes me really sad. Oh my gosh. Like not to go all so boxy, you know, but, um, it's, it's troublesome to actually think about it. Like, I mean, Y yeah. We want to, you know, promote things like that.
Speaker 0 00:40:46 Yeah. I think what bothers me about that statement. I mean, maybe it was a gosh, like, you know, how people get quoted and it can be like a throwaway.
Speaker 2 00:40:55 Yeah. Could have been. So like, we haven't done research, so please forgive us if we fucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:41:00 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's quoted as saying I'm a billionaire, so I have better access to healthcare. Like, I feel like that's the inherent problem. Like, I feel like there's this weird, there's this weird idea among a certain group of people, which is that if I have money that I deserve my right. Yeah. This is my right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:41:25 Yeah. It's it's
Speaker 0 00:41:27 Entitlement. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is, is that like, and like, again, I think, well, I mean, people have discussed this before, but like, you know, there's an element of hard work to everybody's life. But Mike, a lot of like a lot of the wealth that people actually get is due to luck is due to luck and privilege. And so like, so if, because you've only become wealthy through luck and privilege, like why do you think you're entitled to better healthcare than other people? Like, I just bothers me. I'm like, I think healthcare's are right. Like everybody should have the right to healthcare.
Speaker 2 00:42:07 I agree. I think the same
Speaker 0 00:42:10 Way. I know, I guess it's just a very Canadian way of thinking. Or maybe it's just like a very like, like Northern European slash Canadian way of thinking, just because of like the way that our healthcare system works, but still, like, I don't think that it's right to be all like, oh, I'm rich. So then I have like, I have better access to healthcare. So like F all of you, you know, like it's just a very strange attitude.
Speaker 2 00:42:31 Yeah. No, it's definitely problematic. And I think that's, you're right. That is the underlying problem is that, you know, uh, where, like I said, like we're creating the society where, you know, by making things exclusive, we're creating an aspirational subsection. So even with people who may not have the money, they think that they, if they work hard enough, they'll probably get there. And so they'll actually prop up that kind of lifestyle or that exclusivity, you know, um, uh, for, for products and, and memberships and all of that stuff. And so it just creates this cycle where people are going to constantly, I don't know, look for other ways to do these kinds of like, you know, experiment and ventures. And, and I don't know, I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 0 00:43:24 And now it's late. This clearly needs to be dissected further, but it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:43:31 It's like saying you're not making sense right now, but I kind of get what you're trying to say.
Speaker 0 00:43:38 No, no, I agree with you. There's something there's something inherently jarring about. I don't know if it's like disgusting or just like, revolting about keeping health care for a certain subsection of society. Do you know what I mean? And like right now, I feel like a lot of the things that are causing that divide between rich and poor are just, it's just sort of like, it's, it's, it's more like, it's, it's more like, I can't explain it. It's more like access. It's not like you're actually willfully keeping it away from people. Do you know what I mean? It's not like,
Speaker 2 00:44:16 Um, I don't know how widespread this was, but during the initial days of the vaccine, you know, I heard about these vaccine parties or like the rich people, like getting access to the vaccines first. Um, not in Canada. I think this is more than the U S um, but there were like all these stories, and again, don't know how true they were in urban myth, but I can see something like that happening, right. Like where, uh, you know, doctors, or like the rich people get first access to a medication, or like, you know, the vaccine in this case, then the poor people who probably have to wait until the free version or the free health care, or like, um, you know, or the rich countries having access to the vaccines before the poor countries.
Speaker 0 00:45:13 For sure. We definitely saw that disparity.
Speaker 2 00:45:15 So we saw that disparity. So I don't know all of those kinds of things. It's like, yeah, I know this is why I'm feeling curmudgeonly today.
Speaker 0 00:45:27 CSO. Maybe it's not a bad thing that we're curmudgeonly. It's like, we're rightfully curmudgeonly. No,
Speaker 2 00:45:35 I guess just wanting to be rich. I don't know what makes me think that, oh, I'd be a nice person if I was rich. I don't know. But gosh, I sure hope I wouldn't be,
Speaker 0 00:45:58 Uh, I know. Well, yeah, that, yeah, that should be, that should be, that should be another topic we should see. We should look into the literature and it says like, if you become rich, what happens?
Speaker 2 00:46:10 Empathy goes down. Those are all the stereotypes, right. That you see on TV and stuff.
Speaker 0 00:46:16 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It's curious actually, like I wonder, yeah. I wonder I'm sure somebody has done studies on it. The question is, is like where you always did. You always have little empathy and that's what helped you get rich,
Speaker 2 00:46:29 You know, like you're more, yes. You're more of a risk-taker maybe you're more apt to be corrupt, more apt to, to
Speaker 0 00:46:38 Step on other people to get to where you need to be.
Speaker 2 00:46:41 Sure.
Speaker 0 00:46:45 Well, that would be the lack of empathy. Right. Cause you just be like
Speaker 2 00:46:48 The lack of
Speaker 0 00:46:48 Empathy don't care about you. It's all about me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say that there'd be a little bit of narcissism involved too.
Speaker 2 00:46:57 Oh, a hundred percent. That would definitely have to be the case.
Speaker 0 00:47:03 Yeah. I'm sure there's studies social scientists. If you're out there, please let us know. I'm very curious to read about these things. So yeah. There've been good studies out there that actually like document
Speaker 2 00:47:14 There's been actually now. I mean, it's super late, so obviously I shouldn't go down that rabbit hole. No don't
Speaker 0 00:47:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Anyway, definitely food for another topic for another day. Something like that. Anyway. See, now I'm not making sense cheese. I think we should call this an episode before this devolves into something totally unintelligible.
Speaker 2 00:47:49 Oh gosh. Yes. I think we should. Um, so, uh, thank you everyone for joining us and listening to us rant. Um, if you feel like joining in the rant, uh, right to us, uh, you know, where on our email is, does this make me look
[email protected] or on social? Haven't been that good about keeping up, but I will promise get back into it when I'm feeling less curmudgeonly and more youthful.
Speaker 0 00:48:19 Just curmudgeon doesn't mean old remember dictionary,
Speaker 2 00:48:22 Right? Yes. dictionary.com. Yes. I stand corrected, um, and humbled. Um, so yes, when asked on social media follow along, you know, let's have a conversation there as well, uh, would love to hear from you and see you next week.
Speaker 0 00:48:39 Bye
