Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:03 Huh.
Speaker 1 00:00:04 Hi and welcome to does this make me look old, a podcast about aging as gracefully as possible when you're just not ready for two 40 something year old friends will find themselves kind of straddling that really odd period of time when aging and everything that is associated with is starting to become a much bigger part of our lives. We're definitely curious, but at the same time, rather terrified about aging. I'm Schiff. I'm a health science nerd and pop culture themes, and I'm sin and adult and waiting obsessed with finance and self-help books. We're going to be talking about the stereotypes of aging and how they affect us. And we'll also be doing some deeper dives into some interesting topics, such as what it's like to get old in the society dating when you're older and scientific advancements in anti-aging products and even evolution and scientific thinking around aging and throughout it, all we chat rant laugh about are adulting mishaps of which there are so, so, so many. So join us as we navigate our second quarter life crisis.
Speaker 1 00:01:08 Hi, and welcome to this week's episode of does this make me look old I'm SIM and today we're going to actually talk about, um, aging out of our professions and what triggered it are two things. Um, the first is Tom Brady winning. I mean, I know he wanted with his team, but winning his seventh super bowl at the age of 43, which is apparently a big deal. I mean, seven. No, it is. I know. So I'm like, you know, I got know it falls. I just know that everyone went crazy, which is pretty cool. Like, you know, um, and the second thing was, uh, I was talking to a friend of ours and, um, so he messaged me, uh, talking about this whole aging out of professions. And, uh, the first thing he said was I have an example of where men, you know, men and women, but like it's, I guess, because men, um, uh, get, uh, get profiled a little bit more, um, it's sports. Um, and anyway, that just sort of triggered that, you know, there must be not just in sports and sports is probably the biggest area where you sort of see people aging out faster. Um, but just in general, are there other professions where people are aged out?
Speaker 2 00:02:31 Yeah. Yeah. I feel that as you get older, you feel like you are getting aged out of your own professions sometimes. Like I know that like there's a lot of, there are a lot of feelings that come up during retirement or like pre retirement for a lot of people. So like, even on a very like small
Speaker 1 00:02:49 You think so don't you? I don't know. I feel like we spend so much of our time looking forward to retirement. Don't always talking about not just
Speaker 2 00:03:00 Us, but like, you know, a society. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, well, okay. So the reason I've been thinking about it is because I've been looking into like, you know, like I've been looking around like articles around retirement and like, I think it's kind of mixed. Like, I feel like there's kind of mixed feelings about retirement. Like some people are like, obviously we're all, we're all conditioned to like look forward to retirement. But I think that there are like, there are a subsection of people who once they retire, they really don't know what to do with themselves afterwards. And so there's this kind of, you know, there's emotion around retirement aged out of feeling this feeling of having been aged out of your own profession. Right. So, um, having not the best, not that that's saying that once you retire, it's over, a lot of people have proved that adage wrong, but like, um, starting a second career.
Speaker 2 00:03:52 Exactly. Yeah. Cause like lots of it's true. Lots of people do start second careers because they want things to do after retirement. But, um, yeah, like I think on a local level, really like small levels, some of us might, might feel like we're aging out of our own profession, but definitely I think in sports, like I think it comes or that feeling comes about a lot faster because for all intents and purposes, Tom Brady's like he's in middle age. Which to me seems like you're fairly young still, but he's 43. Like that's not, that's not really old by any like stamp, but it's just makes me happier rather than me just thinking for a five year old, very old. I know that I thought 43 was like ancient when I was like, <inaudible> like, but you know, but for all intents and purposes, he's in his middle age. Like you, you wouldn't think that this young man is aging out of his profession, but like in sports you really are like, there aren't that many, there aren't that many people who are in their forties and they're out at the kind of like are still in their prime. LeBron James, I think he's still in his life.
Speaker 2 00:05:09 It doesn't have like a 20 daughter or son. Oh, okay. You can start in your thirties. Nevermind. Sorry. Yeah. I don't know. I see people through my lens and I'm nowhere near mature enough. Um, gosh, I have issues. Oh, so he must be in this thirties then, right? The thirties I think. Yeah. Hang on. Let me do a research break. I feel like we should know if we're going to be talking. The reason I'm saying that is because
Speaker 1 00:06:04 He's also considered to be like a super athlete. Right. And he's older than a lot of the other players in the NBA. Um, I just don't know how old.
Speaker 2 00:06:17 Okay. So yes. So thank you, Wiki. When Brian was apparently born in 84. So he is 36. Oh my God. He's young. Yeah. And he's considered old. I mean, I guess look in sports. Do like once you pick your thirties, you you're starting to age out.
Speaker 1 00:06:37 Well, I started to think of like a number of players. Who've kind of had comebacks at quote-unquote older age or not just come back, but like are still relevant. Um, I I'm thinking tiger woods. Come back. Serina Williams.
Speaker 2 00:06:52 Yeah. William's ever like go away. No, I guess not a little hiatus, but it's not true actually. Do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1 00:07:03 Yeah. But, but did Tom Brady leave?
Speaker 2 00:07:06 No. Tom Brady was playing the whole time, right?
Speaker 1 00:07:10 Oh yeah. So I guess maybe they're the same thing where they're both athletes who've managed to stay relevant. Quote, unquote getting older, uh, despite getting
Speaker 2 00:07:21 Yeah. Yeah. Which is so crazy to hear because they're so young, it's really hard to be an athlete. Like, I mean, granted like the toll that the sport would take on, you would be very hard. Like you're you're, there are all these repetitive movements. I'm sure it takes like, I'm a massive, massive hit on your joints and your, you know, um, here I am, I'm getting, getting on the medical, but anyway, it does, it takes like a hit on your joints and ligaments and things like that. And all the, if you have an injury like that, you know, it's hard to recover from Bose. And if you have many of them that might often that forces you out of the sport. Right. And depending on when that happens or how unlucky you are like, yeah. I mean that, that can take a toll, but like, yeah. It must be such a strange feeling to be like in your forties, but like considered old for your sport. You know,
Speaker 1 00:08:19 You know, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like how many of tiger woods actually doesn't count because isn't that an like most of the players are actually technically old. He was the anomaly because he actually started playing young involves. Okay. So he doesn't count,
Speaker 2 00:08:33 But,
Speaker 1 00:08:36 But the other ones, but, but, okay. So, so yeah, so sports is definitely one of those areas
Speaker 2 00:08:40 Where people, Vince Carter just retired and he was in his forties. Wasn't he? He was, he was 40. It wasn't he used to love him. So <inaudible> on him for a long time. Yeah. He finally just retired last year. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:09:02 He retired a little bit earlier than that. Anyway.
Speaker 2 00:09:06 Sure. You're talking to the Brock Thursday.
Speaker 1 00:09:11 I started in December. Sorry, my memory. I'm not a big sports person. So it's more along the lines of, you know, bandwagon fanning <inaudible> um, no, I'm just thinking. Oh, so yeah. You're right. So, okay. But coming back to the fact that sports is one of those areas where people age out relatively at a young age on average, right? Like thirties, forties, um, Hollywood for women.
Speaker 2 00:09:40 Oh yeah, for sure. I would say that's probably like the one thing that I didn't notice it. Right. Like from just definitely from old Hollywood, like to see people play like young, you know, like young auction news who are like love interests. And then like literally five to 10 years later, it was like, it's just, it's ridiculous. Like I'm still like, I'm still annoyed by that whole Sally field playing like Tom Hanks, his love interest in one movie. And then like in Forrest Gump sheets, who's the mom. And they're like, not even that, they're not even that far apart in age. I think they're like one they're not hard. I don't think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:10:19 Wait, when, when did which movie did she play a love interest?
Speaker 2 00:10:23 Um, was it, was it Joe versus the volcano? No. Wasn't that Mike? Ryan. Oh, that was Mike Ryan. Hang on. Let me see. Sally field. Yeah. So she played. Yeah. She, she was Mrs. Gump in Forrest Gump. Correct. So she was born in 46 and Tom Hanks. Oh, he was 56. He's only 10 years younger than her,
Speaker 1 00:10:43 But at least he's 10 years younger to play when she played the love interest. That's
Speaker 2 00:10:49 Yeah. Yeah. That's yes, that's cool. But like,
Speaker 1 00:10:52 And I forgot what else I was going to say just because I'm like queen.
Speaker 2 00:10:56 Well, I mean, it's true. It's true that she play the love interest in whatever movie. I'm pretty sure that she did. She was his love interest in one movie and she played his mom, but like, she couldn't even like, she could barely be his mother and his mother. I didn't actually know about that. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, I would agree. I feel a lot of Hollywood ages women out quite quickly.
Speaker 1 00:11:20 Well you have, you have Tom cruise. Who's actresses. What remained
Speaker 2 00:11:26 They age 30. I think they're in their mid twenties. Aren't they? Well, as he continues to age,
Speaker 1 00:11:33 Although having said that he at least takes care of his, but not you're right. That is just gross. It's not gross, but you know,
Speaker 2 00:11:48 Yeah. I mean, like, I've always wondered about this, like this whole chicken and egg scenario, you have, you haven't portrayed in the media where men can be significantly older than their love interests, but then like, and then yeah. And then that's the other thing is that my women, when they're older, they aren't portrayed as love interests anymore. The only exception, and I will tell you this and I was quite happy to see this, but then it was like problematic was telling Mirren. Okay. So I was watching this like H B O mini on Catherine. The great. And so Helen, please, Catherine, the great. And I didn't know this, but Catherine, the great actually had a lover who was like significantly younger than her. So like he was definitely at least 10 if not 20. And so, yeah. So, but then I think for the time that was considered scandalous and I think it caused a lot of like political unrest in Catherine, the Great's life.
Speaker 2 00:12:53 Yeah. So anyway, it just brings up a lot of other, other issues around like women in power and how they're portrayed. And you know, because like afterwards I think like once Catherine died, like all sorts of awful stories were coming out about her and I honestly think it was just because, you know, she was wonderful. Yeah, exactly. So then, um, but what I like to see was Helen Mirren was in this HBO documentary, not documentary this mini series and like her, the love interest was actually played by somebody who was like 20 years old. Super cool. So I was just like, Oh, thank you. We were actually like shown actually being in love. You know, it, wasn't just a, I'm in love with you, but we'll never actually be seen together kissing like things. So like, it was, it was just refreshing. But you know, I'm trying to remember whether or not they actually had discussions around their age difference in the actual mini, but
Speaker 1 00:13:50 Maybe even like no one would say anything to the queen, you know? So there wouldn't be any discussion. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:13:56 Yeah, no. I mean, like, I think it was basically brought up because at the time at, in like, like in Russia, that was an issue. So I think like it was brought up because of that. So, um, but see, like that kind of annoys me in a sense that like, it can't just be a woman who's older and in love with like a younger man and just like,
Speaker 1 00:14:17 Here's the thing. Right. And I think, cause I was thinking it, giving it some thought, right? Like the thing is obviously if you're two adults and you're age appropriate in the sense, like you're an adult or something adult doesn't matter technically. Right. Like age difference shouldn't matter. But I think it's the whole concept, like you said, is that it's portrayed though that the men are still cool and still hip or whatever it is of the hero. But then his romantic partner has to be someone cast, like the casting of the romantic partner always has to be someone who was like in her twenties, early thirties, even though the guy might be like 60. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:15:02 Yeah. I will actually. And yeah, I fully agree with you. And like the most recent evidence of that was in this movie, mink. So I was watching mink it's about like the writer. Yes. Yeah. Screenwriter. Yeah. So I was watching this, um, I was watching this movie, um, it's on Netflix. It's called man gets by, it said directed by David Fincher. And it's actually, the screenplay is from his father. So like, um, so his father wrote the screenplay about, about megawatts. And so, um, and it's basically like it's around the time that Mankiewicz wrote citizen Kane. And so, so I didn't know this, but apparently like banquets, his wife was around his age. Like I think they weren't more than a year apart, but then when you watch the movie, they didn't like, so Gary Oldman is the actor who was cast as Mankiewicz and his wife is not close to Gary Oldman's age. Like by any means, why would they do that? I don't know.
Speaker 1 00:16:00 Like it's not even like an action movie or anything like that. Like there's no way, like there's no reason why you would need to cast someone who's
Speaker 2 00:16:10 Younger. Yeah. I know. I have no idea why that it's so weird. Yeah. And annoying. Exactly. And the thing is, is that it's like a really small parts. Basically. She plays his aggrieved wife, like in a cup, like in a few scenes. And so there's like really no reason that the actress couldn't have been Gary Oldman's age.
Speaker 1 00:16:32 Gosh, that just annoys me. So
Speaker 2 00:16:34 Like it's a talking part. Like, I mean, even if somebody wanted to say something like, Oh, but they're having a sex scene together and we want to show young supple flesh on camera, which is a whole other issue. But like, anyway, like even if they had said that that would have been one thing, but like literally
Speaker 1 00:16:49 There was no reason other than that, that's what we're used to. Like, we just, we just don't know any older women who can play the part of, uh, old man's wife.
Speaker 2 00:16:58 I have no idea. It was like definitely a talking part. She talks to him the entire movie, like that's it only a few scenes. So I don't really understand, like, because our eyes would be blasted away because like a woman in her fifties showed up on camera. Like, I don't understand, like dear God, there's a woman with wrinkles on the camera. I think I might have to die. I don't understand.
Speaker 1 00:17:21 You know, um, right before we started taping, you were talking about, um, some clip where, uh, I think it's a skit, uh, with Amy Schumer
Speaker 2 00:17:30 Schumer's last fuckable day. Oh my God. It's the best sketch. So yeah. Okay. So yeah. So, so I'll give you a little bit of a rundown, but if you guys ever, ever like find it on YouTube, it's the best sketch. So basically Amy Schumer happens upon like, I think it's Julia Louis Dreyfus, Tina Fey and Patricia are cats and they're all our houses for sure. I actually like all of them. They're all super hilarious. So then like they're all. Yeah. So they're basically all kind of like having this party and like this cops and like, she, she kind of happens upon them and she's like, Oh, what's happening here? You're like, you know, like, is it somebody's birthday? Like what, what are you celebrating turned to her? And they're like, Oh, we're celebrating Julia's last fuckable day. What does that mean? So basically they're talking about women aging out of Hollywood. And so, you know, like I like don't quote me. I don't know exactly how old you are or like how old she was at the time of the sketch. But I'm assuming in her like late forties at the time, maybe, maybe fifties. Um, so then she older than 50. I don't know. You know, I don't think of age when I see her. I just love her
Speaker 1 00:18:44 So much Seinfeld, like everything she touches, I just love her. I actually don't know how old.
Speaker 2 00:18:52 No, not at all. Yeah. Like I guess I did the math. Like she probably was in her what? Like twenties, maybe late twenties, early thirties. So then that would what put yeah, she would probably be in the fifties. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, but this, this, uh, this Amy Schumer sketches, maybe five years old now. And so, um, yeah, so she must've been in her forties when she did this sketch, but basically, yeah, that's all they're talking about is like, you know about this phenomenon where you're playing the ingenue one day and then suddenly you're like this, like man's mother the next and like, and how like nobody. Yeah. And basically like helped me, like try to cover you up because like now you're old and nobody wants to see your skin on camera. Like it's just, it's just, it's like, so it's so funny if it weren't like, it's funny, but true. Anyways. It's a great sketch. It's funny how
Speaker 1 00:19:47 I think they assume that the opposite is okay though. Like why would people want to see if people don't want to see an older woman's skin? Why would they want to see an older man skin?
Speaker 2 00:20:01 Okay. You're preaching to the choir.
Speaker 1 00:20:06 We have a person who is offended by wrinkles on screen, um, or, you know, whatever it is like, you know, the crackiness of, of, of an older person's skin. If that's the issue, I don't know. I'm just making something up. Yeah. Right. But why would it bother you if it's on a woman and not if, if it's on a man?
Speaker 2 00:20:24 No, I know. I know. And the thing is, is that like, it doesn't technically bother anybody. I understand that. I don't understand this strange Hollywood obsession with youth. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:20:35 I mean, mind you, like, everybody's obsessed with you.
Speaker 2 00:20:39 Yeah. Yeah. Like I feel like we don't want like the troubles that come aging, but at the same time, like I was watching Gary Oldman, you know, but that's my point. Yeah. Why is it okay to see him? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:20:59 Y w to see, make played by an old, old director and not his w his wife not being played has to be played by a younger man.
Speaker 2 00:21:06 Yeah. I know. I don't understand just the other thing that was kind of crazy. Cause I was kind of doing like, um, I didn't know very much about Manco Watson. So I was like looking, you know, looking things up on him, but like he apparently wrote citizen Kane at his forties, but older than that. So what's the city citizen
Speaker 1 00:21:24 Kane by Orson Welles.
Speaker 2 00:21:27 So this is, yeah, this is the debate. So, so there are some people who think that, like, that what's actually broke all of citizen Kane and then gave like the screen credit to two Wells. But apparently it was this big, like it was this big hullabaloo. And at the end of the day, they both settled on having joint screen writing credit with Manka what's listed first and then Orson Wells because when they won the Academy award like manga, which was like a master course, then Orson Welles. But like, yeah. But apparently it's like a, it was a big to-do. Yeah. And so, um, and so basically this, and so basically the, yeah, so this, this, um, movie about like, Mackowitz like just kind of shows what led up to writing the screenplay because I technically it's not even about Mackowitz well, it's about really perse, but I think like the way the screenplay is written, it basically suggests that Mankiewicz wrote the whole thing. But like, going back to my point out was in his forties when he wrote it, Gary Oldman is playing it and he's like older, like much older he's like in his mid fifties. So yeah.
Speaker 1 00:22:39 So, okay. No, this is annoying me.
Speaker 2 00:22:44 So let's go back to the topic at hand
Speaker 1 00:22:47 Is aging out of your profession. Okay. So we had the sports people who are, who typically do you have actresses in leading romantic roles?
Speaker 2 00:22:56 Exactly. But the issue, I think the difference between the sports and the acting is that sports you're often aged out because of injuries. Physical body can only handle so much. Right. And like, but acting
Speaker 1 00:23:14 Is because of societal yes.
Speaker 2 00:23:18 Expectations and expectations. Prejudice. Yeah. It's just prejudice. It's basically like ages and then massage.
Speaker 1 00:23:29 Yeah. Um, yeah, never say it doesn't give you, you know, you don't get value from it.
Speaker 2 00:23:36 Exactly. Are there any other professions that you that's what I'm trying to think? I mean, I know that
Speaker 1 00:23:41 Corporate world, um, there's there are a lot of articles it's. I mean, I don't, I don't know if it's age necessarily, but in some ways it is. Right. But because I think that, um, for on average, I wouldn't be surprised and I haven't done the research on this, but I wouldn't be surprised if actually women, um, take longer to climb the ladder. Um, you know, because the, so they technically age out of positions, I guess. Do you know what I mean? Like, as in that, because sometimes they take, you know, maternity, uh, like leaves and stuff like that. And I feel like it does hamper their promotion rates. So, you know, you sort of think that, you know, by the time they're, they reach a certain age, you know, they might not be, they might have to retire before they can actually go up to the level that they had may have originally wanted. Um, there's that,
Speaker 2 00:24:45 So basically you're saying like, they'll age out of like potentially executive position.
Speaker 1 00:24:51 Um, I, again, no research, so I haven't done anything to back it up, but I'm just trying to think of why you don't see enough women in executive positions.
Speaker 2 00:25:02 Yeah. I mean, there was that recent article in the globe though. What about like, different about different institutions and how women are not at a lot of the executive positions regardless, regardless of the institution. Right?
Speaker 1 00:25:18 Yeah. And, and, and regardless of the industry and regardless of the institution. Yeah, no, for sure. Um, that was actually a really good article. I forgot about that. Um, but yes,
Speaker 2 00:25:27 And a lot of it didn't really have to do with maternity leave. No,
Speaker 1 00:25:30 Yeah, no, I'm just using that as one
Speaker 2 00:25:33 Example. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I think that that article definitely showed that it wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1 00:25:40 Oh, okay. Yeah. Yes, you're right. It did, but age-ism does play a role in general, regardless of gender, um, in, in two ways, right. One is, um, when you're young getting the buy-in from the older people, like people, cause people tend to think of what do you know? And you know, you're not, Oh, you don't have the experience I'm seasoned, I'm a veteran. I understand the business better, whatever it is, the world better, the function better. Yeah. And so there's a tendency to sort of dismiss the young in's in some ways, which isn't always, uh, you know, I mean, it depends, it may dependent team by team, but in general you sort of hear it, right. Like, Oh, this upstart. Right. Um, but then on the other flip hand, there are people I know who've, who've mentioned this, but then as the, as they've gotten older, it's been harder to get promotions.
Speaker 1 00:26:36 Um, simply because they've reached a certain age where they're told, well, you're not the right age, um, for that role. Interesting. Um, like maybe they didn't get promoted quicker or faster or, you know, but, um, now they find that their age kind of holds them back because people think that they won't be able to bring fresh ideas or, um, be open to, um, new, new technology or innovation. Um, and so I I've, I've heard both sides of the argument. Um, so in corporate, I think that there are, I don't know if you can get aged out of the professions you're in, but I think that you certainly pay the price, um, in some ways, uh, depending on your wage. Um,
Speaker 2 00:27:26 But it sounds like you get aged out of promotion.
Speaker 1 00:27:31 I can, I haven't done the research, so I can't, you know, convincingly say like, yes, that's true. Yeah. Um, sometimes it does feel like it. Um, but, uh, you know, and, and of course it, you know, there are exceptions to every, you know, every rule, but yeah, that would be, that would be my take on the corporate world. How was it, how was it in the science field? Like the health.
Speaker 2 00:27:59 Yeah. So how, how science is like, I mean, I guess it depends, I guess it depends what you mean. Like, I mean, yeah. Like if you're talking about promotions, then I find that like in sciences, it's usually older people, like people are found in the roles, right. They've been there for long enough. Like they just
Speaker 1 00:28:21 Never let go. They're
Speaker 2 00:28:23 The ones who have the expertise. Right. Because a lot of it is based at least in like the research field. A lot of it is based on like your, um, like a lot of it is based on your, um, research productivity and how much you publish. And also things like your research impact and often research impact is measured by not only numbers of publications, but over how long you've been publishing. So like, so for example, like that, like something like, so in like in the research, something called the H index is used to determine how much research impact you've had in the world. And I've noticed that the way that it's skewed and skewed over, um, over time of publishing. So typically you could have like a high H index if you've just been publishing for a long time. So it actually fevers older people in that way.
Speaker 1 00:29:16 Well, I guess that's good in a way.
Speaker 2 00:29:21 Exactly, exactly. So, yeah, I see more, the things that I see more and like research or health sciences is it gets more, um, like fewer people of color at the top of people, fewer women are at the top, like that type of thing.
Speaker 1 00:29:39 So there are fewer women in, in, in that industry too. Oh
Speaker 2 00:29:42 Yeah, really? Yeah. For sure. Huh. Yeah. So, um,
Speaker 1 00:29:46 Me, right, because like you think in the health sciences, people are the carers. Yeah. Um, isn't caring associated with yeah,
Speaker 2 00:29:54 Yeah, exactly. And so you'll see this, like, so in that it, at the beginning, it's actually, I don't know how much of it is just because it'll just take time. But like, so when I started out, I think our class was like one of the few classes in which the, the, it was one of the first classes actually, which like women outnumbered men. And so that's what you'll see is that in the lower, in the lower rankings, women are actually are on par or like slightly above. But then when you try to actually move up, that's where it flips. That's where their gender gap.
Speaker 1 00:30:32 Now I can have to go back to the corporate world because that is exactly the problem. You see more women in lower or mid management, um, then you do in higher executives or even higher senior management.
Speaker 2 00:30:47 Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that, and actually that's what that little windmill article showed was that it, it, that kind of gender gap is seen throughout all of the different industries. So like in the universities, especially, but you'll see that any of like the presidents, any of the deans, like they're all, it's very male, heavy, very male, like very male focused, you know? And so like, so I don't know how much of this is just because it's going to take some time. Um, but because, you know, it's, it's only been really 20 years since like the, the gender gap has been like was fairly even among the lower, like the bore regions, but you would think that it would have happened a little bit faster. Like, yeah. Like, I mean, I I've sat on committees where I actually know, I, like, I know of committees where it's like eight to two men versus women.
Speaker 1 00:31:46 So gender and, and, uh, other forms of diversity is an issue. Okay. But age not so much,
Speaker 2 00:31:53 Not so much. I find,
Speaker 1 00:31:56 Yeah. That's one silver lining right there. It's like it, you know? Cause I was thinking like what, like, um, I guess writers would be another profession where each person probably doesn't come into play.
Speaker 2 00:32:06 No. Yeah, exactly. Because as long as you can still write, like you should, yeah. It should be productive. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, um, yeah. And like depends like at least in the health profession, like unless your job isn't very physical. Like you, you can continue to work well into your site. Right.
Speaker 1 00:32:24 Cause you, you still make music. Yeah. I'm wondering if anybody like <inaudible> we should have, we should talk like, because music is a whole different other thing. Cause there's a lot of other stuff, but can you each out of music? Yeah. That's
Speaker 2 00:32:40 An interesting, that would be an interesting thing to think about because like what's popular, obviously changes with each generation. That's true. So, you know, like maybe, maybe somebody who was playing music in the seventies, wouldn't be considered popular now, even though they're making.
Speaker 1 00:32:57 Yeah. But I, but if you are the type who loves to play the guitar or sing, why would that go away? Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:33:03 Exactly. I guess it's just whether or not you can make money off of it. So I mean, cause technically, but then
Speaker 1 00:33:11 Aerosmith or rolling stones he could yes.
Speaker 2 00:33:14 Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that a generational thing too, depending on my, who likes your music? Like I guess doesn't everyone like,
Speaker 1 00:33:24 Like for example, the Beatles, like I feel like they transcend generations.
Speaker 2 00:33:29 Yeah. I guess that's the difference, right? Like I guess if it's your mute, if your music is actually beloved by many generations that you can still continue to work, but yeah, if you, like, if you are popular only in like a certain slice of time, then maybe, you know, you might have to pivot, you might have to pivot in order to,
Speaker 1 00:33:48 And it's coming to mind is because I know that sometimes, I mean, you know, like you hear of a particular band or a singer and you're like, Oh, they're still around. And, and then you think about it logically and you're like, why wouldn't they be like, they like to play and sing music. So why would they stop? They might not become, be popular anymore to your point. But that doesn't mean that they would stop performing just because no, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So they're not technically aged out of profession. They're just aged out of the money. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:34:19 <inaudible>
Speaker 1 00:34:36 Yeah. Cause like, like, you know, I love Madonna, right. I love her so much and she's such a badass and, and um, she's just so cool. But um, like I still think she's kind of relevant, but I'm wondering if like today's generation, you know, values her the way like, yeah. Cause like when I was a kid, like I was like, Oh my God. Yeah. That is the coolest,
Speaker 2 00:35:02 Like she's the coolest, she is the coolest,
Speaker 1 00:35:04 I just don't want to grow up to be like her. I mean, I listened to her music for a long time, but having said that I do listen to more of her older stuff if I do exactly. So I haven't reached out of mine.
Speaker 2 00:35:18 I feel like I feel like that. Yeah. That's an interesting profession because like, I mean you could still play, but technically yeah. Technically you may out of that profession.
Speaker 1 00:35:30 Yeah. No, this is, I, I think that just wanted to talk about this today because I really was fascinated how surprised
Speaker 2 00:35:38 People were about the whole Tom Brady situation and it blew my mind and then it turns out that it is a big deal because he's 43 and I was so young, like why is it such a big deal? And they're like, yeah, for sure. That's what it is. Because like so many athletes age out of it just physically like physically, right? Like that. Um, it's, it's hard, it's hard to, it's hard to steal it. Still stay at your prime, like as, as you're getting older, just because at some point like the body doesn't keep up at buck. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it happens to men too.
Speaker 2 00:36:20 It's not a gender thing. It's definitely, but yeah, no, this is um, yeah. It's, it's interesting. I'm glad that you brought that up because it's, uh, I'm always curious about the male perspective. Like just because yeah, often, often it is just the two of us and you know, we only bring a certain kind of perspective because like we're we're women and we only have a certain lens, but, but yeah, I think that would be, um, that would be a good thing is that if there are any male listeners out there, please write in like tell us, give us some topics that you might want to, um, men might want us to discuss like things that are worrying about getting older. I think they do. They must stress about this. And I don't like, I know in one of the earlier episodes, when you asked about the fears, a lot of the guys talked about like it was very career oriented.
Speaker 2 00:37:16 Like they worry about, you know, not being financially secure and of course they're leaving, having enough for their families, you know, taking care of financial security for their families and stuff. But like, I wonder if men worry as much as we do about the physical aspects of it. I know nothing must worry about the hair. I know that this has come up on <inaudible> that's actually true. Yeah. I know the hair thing is definitely an issue. I wonder if like, yeah, but I'm curious to what I actually want to know this. I know, I want to know if there's any other, like other things that you guys worry about cause the physical change for sure. One thing that I would love to do for our podcast is like, just have like a male versus female perspective. Yeah. So anyways, so please write in, let us know kind of, yeah. Just let us know what topics you want us to cover. Give us, um, give us some insight on things like from the male perspective that would be like, I mean, clearly I would be missing because I don't have it that way. So, um, yeah. So check us out on our websites. Does this make me look old.com and we're also on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:38:34 So you had of course women right into like, yeah. Let us know other topics.
