Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:03 Hi, and welcome to does this make me look old, a podcast about aging as gracefully as possible when you're just not ready for two 40 something year old friends will find themselves kind of straddling that really odd period of time when aging and everything that is associated with is starting to become a much bigger part of our lives. We're definitely curious, but at the same time, rather terrified about aging. I'm Schiff. I'm a health science nerd and pop culture themes, and I'm sin and adult and waiting obsessed with finance and self-help books. We're going to be talking about the stereotypes of aging and how they affect us. And we'll also be doing some deeper dives into some interesting topics, such as what it's like to get old in the society dating when you're older and scientific advancements in anti-aging products and even evolution and scientific thinking around aging and throughout it all we chat rant laugh about or adulting mishaps of which there are so, so, so many. So join us as we navigate our second quarter-life crisis. Hi, welcome to this week's episode of does this make me look old? I'm Schiff. I'm SIM um, yeah, we all like to welcome you to this week's episode. So how was your week? How was your week?
Speaker 1 00:01:22 The fact that you're hesitating to even ask me to tell you, I feel like we're both so tired this week and like, things are just a mess, just physically tired. And honestly, I cannot remember, um, feeling this way when I was younger. Like, I feel like, I don't know, is it because I'm getting old that I'm just not
Speaker 0 00:01:50 Fact that I actually
Speaker 1 00:01:51 Just said that I'm getting old is actually problematic. It tells you exactly where my Headspace is at. Right. So that's how my week has been. I definitely need a vacation so I can go back into my Lala land of denial. I know.
Speaker 0 00:02:10 I wonder if like that's how the pandemic is affecting a lot of us. Like, I, I know that I used to use vacations to recharge, but like, I don't know, like with this pandemic, there's nowhere to go. So you can't actually unplug. And so you're kind of stuck at home. And then when I'm stuck at home, well, actually, no, you know what? I've been using my vacations for more work, which is really sad.
Speaker 1 00:02:34 Um, that's it like this whole weekend I've been working nonstop, so tells you something, actually, I don't know what it tells you, but you know what I mean? See, this is what I mean, like, I just think that this whole week has been a Testament to my lack of resilience. I just feel like I need more energy and just a little bit more, I dunno, you're right. Like some way to get away, you know, like there was somewhere new recharge, go to a spa. Remember the one
Speaker 0 00:03:06 I know, I know, because even you could, you didn't have to go out of town. You could just like go to a day spa and just like, hang out and just like lounge in a pool. And that would be enough, you know? Cause like it just allowed you that reset. Cause like you just need to like mentally unplug. I feel like I don't mentally unplug anymore. I'm just kind of like at home and I'm like, oh, I have more work to do. Let me do the work.
Speaker 1 00:03:31 I know. Cause when you're at home, you're like, well I might as well be a little bit more productive and then you just do more work. Exactly.
Speaker 0 00:03:39 Yeah. I know it's awful. But anyway, but speaking about resilience, well actually not even resilience, but like yeah, I, uh, it kind of reminds me of this article. I read on watching read two articles on longevity. So I'll, I'll talk about,
Speaker 1 00:03:56 I need you to stop. I need you to stop for a quick second. Didn't you also have like ridiculous all-nighters this week. I, yeah, I, well did you find time to read articles? Those are my breaks and at the person you are like, I love it, but I just don't understand. So you, in your downtime, you decided to read articles and I'm assuming this is a science article. I don't know why I just assumed this, but I feel like this is an academic. Yeah, it was okay. The way you look when you're like, oh, so I was reading an article. I'm like, oh yeah. Okay. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I just wanted to lay the scene out for people to just sort of know that when, when shifts says that she's she was reading an article, she usually means like nerdy journaling to academic journal. Science-y articles for fun for no earthly reason. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:05:16 For the listeners to know I was reading it for them. It was for the podcast, but it happened to be a weird nerdy academic article
Speaker 1 00:05:28 Hit me, hit me with this. What was this article about?
Speaker 0 00:05:31 Okay. So this article, okay. I'll start off. I'll start off with a really weird nerdy Germany article, which was, which I'm still trying to come to grips with because honestly, like I could not make heads or tails of it, but I can give you a short synopsis of it because I, from what I understood they did. So yeah. What I understood is they have mathematically potentially discovered the limits to longevity. Yeah. Yeah. Explain, sorry for our listeners, Susan. I wish we did have a video cause I'm just like,
Speaker 1 00:06:19 No, I don't need them to know the look of, you know, how stupid I can look.
Speaker 0 00:06:26 I know, I know. And I feel the need to be made up all the time, but anyway. Okay. So yeah, so, so this was an article that was written, so it was written in nature. So it's like a big, big thing. The science world, it's like a huge article. Um, and so basically what they did was they used, um, a number of different markers, uh, on the complete blood count. So, you know, when you go to the doctor and your doctor's like, oh, you're not feeling well, let's take some blood. So then usually what they do is they ensure everyone knows because we all watch like, you know, we've all watched our gamut of like doctors shows. So they usually do like a CBC in lights. So CDC is a complete blood count and basically it takes like, um, so like once you analyze the blood, you can find out like a whole number of different parameters such as like the amount of hemoglobin in your blood or like the number of like white cells or red cells or platelets in your blood sizes of them.
Speaker 0 00:07:23 Like things like that. So like, so in the past, um, well not in the distant past, but in the last five years they found that actually the sizes of your red blood cells. Um, so in a completely normal, healthy person, who's young, like young being like 40 and under, um, the red cells, uh, actually are all pretty uniform in size and that's called an RDW. So as you age that those red cells start to kind of take on different shapes. And then what, what happens is that RDW, the red red cell distribution with it actually increases. So it's a mark, it's actually a marker of aging. And so that that's, that's been known for about like five years. So this study, they looked at the fat parameter, but then they looked at a whole bunch of other parameters, including like different types of white cells, um, hemoglobin ones. And then they also looked at like, um, they looked at different, uh, like cell ratios in that CBC. And they looked at all of these different like comorbidities that people had. And using
Speaker 1 00:08:34 That one more time, please. Co-morbidities sorry. Okay. Yes.
Speaker 0 00:08:48 These were defined as illnesses, um, like a certain group of illnesses that people have. And so like in terms of the illnesses, I'll go through the list. So, um, so the illnesses were high blood pressure, arthritis, cancer, coronary, heart disease, diabetes, um, and Jina. So that's like heart pain basically is what's like the pain that it's, um, like chest pain that people have, but that doesn't necessarily lead to a heart attack. It's just like the, the chest pain that's indicative of heart disease, um, emphysema, heart attack, stroke, congestive heart failure and bronchitis. So those were the, all of the different, um, illnesses she took into account. And then, um, yeah, as well as all of these blood parameters. And so then they basically use those in order to kind of predict when people would pass on. So like, and then what they did was then they mathematically extrapolated how long a person would play if all of those markers were like pristine. And so they found that the lifespan, so they calculated a, uh, kind of like an, like a maximum life span for humans. And so it was 120 to 150. Whoa. Yes.
Speaker 1 00:10:10 So basically if everything is perfect and you're like super 100% healthy, you would be able to live until maybe up to one 50.
Speaker 0 00:10:23 That's what they're predicting. Wow. But caveat, I tried to read the article. It was almost unintelligible, so we'll have to do a deeper dive on it later, but it was just like, what's going on.
Speaker 1 00:10:37 You also talk about the probability of finding such a person. Like what are the chances of have having all of the markers? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:10:46 Yeah. Well, I mean that, I don't know, but it is known that the oldest living person is, is around, is around one 20. So I think the oldest living woman, I think was 122. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:11:00 We should look that up.
Speaker 1 00:11:03 Yeah. Go on. Go on. Just, yeah.
Speaker 0 00:11:05 So anyways, so it was, it's an interesting article in terms of like, um, in terms of the span of human longevity, but then it's also interesting because like the vast majority of people, like, but like very few people make it that long. I mean, like one of my partners, friends, like grandmothers is linked to like 106 and that is like fucking amazing. So, but like, like, you know, you kind of celebrate it because it's just so it's just so rare. Right. So, I mean, yeah, it just brings into question, like all of the different things that we could be doing, um, in order to kind of maximize lifespan, but at the same time, like trying to maintain health during all that time, because that's the problem, right? Like it's fine to live that long, but if you're not healthy during that, all that time, then you know, what's the point.
Speaker 0 00:11:56 So, but yeah, so it's an, it's an interesting article in that sense. And of course, like, just because I'm interested in blood diseases, like I was kind of like interested that you could kind of predict it using, using blood markers. So I'll have to do a little bit of smoothing on that, but it's a curious article. So what's the name of this article? Oh, so yes. So the articles in nature and it is, um, it was published. I think it was honestly published like this week, but, um, so it's called longitudinal analysis of blood markers reveals progressive loss of resilience and predicts human lifespan limit. And it's written the first author is Timothy V her paws, P Y title. Yes.
Speaker 1 00:12:43 Say that again. It felt like you were reading the summary of the article, so,
Speaker 0 00:12:49 Yeah. Okay. So it's longer to have more analysis of blood markers reveals progressive loss of resilience and predicts human lifespan limits.
Speaker 2 00:12:59 Get why the
Speaker 1 00:13:00 Word resilience true. Yeah. Okay. She's basically telling me I have zero hope of living to one 50. Why is she telling me that? Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:13:23 So, yeah. So if anybody wants to look up the article, it's, uh, that's a title and it's written by Timothy <inaudible> and the last author is Peter <inaudible> F E D I C H E V. So yeah, it's a, it's kind of a curious little article and, uh, I'll probably be trying to delve into a little bit more just because, uh, I need to understand what they did. They actually, like, they basically used all of these in order to create this parameter called a dosey. And so let's say it's an acronym, it's like a dos I and um, yeah. So let me look what it look up, what it stands for. So it, um, so D so the dosey stands for dynamic organism state indicator.
Speaker 0 00:14:16 It doesn't mean anything to me either. I was just like watch. And then the other thing is, is that like, they, they talk about this dosey, which is the parameter that they used in order to calculate like longevity. But then they tell you very much about exactly how they came to, like, they came to calculate that parameter. They tell you all the things that use to it to calculate it and like, oh, and then part of it is body mass. They didn't, they did mention that. So body mass is important. And so, um, I know, right. I was just thinking,
Speaker 1 00:14:45 I would assume that the more body mass you have,
Speaker 0 00:14:52 What I found interesting. So I think they actually charted, like, they charted that dosey across like, um, across time. And so obviously the younger you are like, you're like, you know, the dosey is small because, you know, you're, you're small. So then, so then as you grow and you get into your twenties, like it obviously like exponentially increases and then it plateaus from 20 to 40 and then after 40 it kind of dips. Yeah. So this thing actually
Speaker 1 00:15:23 Smart shrinking is that I can't afford to shrink
Speaker 0 00:15:31 You start shrinking at this dosey incorporates all sorts of other parameters. So it's like, so the body mass plus all of these other morbidities and whatnot. So I think like, so then as you get older, obviously you get more of these conditions and then like your, he starts dropping, but like, I need to figure out exactly what it, how it's calculated. It's really not well stated in the article. And I just wonder if there's like some IP issues around it, because like, there's like, why aren't you telling us exactly how you calculate it? So
Speaker 1 00:16:04 Maybe there'll be a follow-up and that's me.
Speaker 0 00:16:07 Yeah. Maybe there'll be a followup. But the thing is, is that like, it's a science article, so you would want other people to replicate it. So I'm like, why can't you make it like, easier to understand so that the rest of us were interested in and like, the rest of us were interested in this could like use it in like, whatever other research that people are doing. But anyway, I digress, I'm getting all nerdy and science-y, but
Speaker 1 00:16:34 That's good. That's good. Um, you know, I'm glad there are people like you out there who are looking into these things. So, but like me can just benefit from them, um, from applications or whatever comes out of these research. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 0 00:16:51 Exactly. Yeah. Well, I mean, what I found interesting about this was that there, you know, they had, they calculated this maximum limit to longevity, so it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 00:17:02 Um, I thought you were going to be like, well, you know, the secret to longevity is, you know, eat veggies and run and do your exercise and sleep eight hours a day. And you know, don't smoke, don't drink. Don't whatever.
Speaker 0 00:17:17 It's funny that you mentioned that because that segues into the second article that I read.
Speaker 1 00:17:23 Of course it does. Yeah, of course it does actually out on a mission today.
Speaker 0 00:17:35 Sorry to make you feel bad.
Speaker 1 00:17:39 No, no, no laughing because I'm like, of course, you know, like as soon as I say, um, no, I'm glad, I'm glad it triggered another. Oh, you actually just randomly seriously happened to read another article about exercise. Is it about exercise? It's not about exercise diet it's about diabetes. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 0 00:18:05 Yeah. So this one, so let me, let me find this article for you. So this article was, um, written in circulation, so that's like the, like the journal of the American heart association. So, um, so this, I don't know, I read this article and it's kind of like good news and bad news, so, okay. So, okay. I'm going to give you the, I'm going to give you the title of the article and unlike the other one, it's like much easier to understand. So the article simple, sweet, succinct, very easy to understand fruit and vegetable intake and mortality. This is the kind of title that I like to read.
Speaker 1 00:18:49 Get behind that one. Yes. Yeah, no, wait, what about fruits and vegetables? Yes. And mortality. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:18:58 Okay. So, um, let me, okay. So let me get kind of give you the, so, okay. Let me tell you about who wrote the article just to give credit where credit is due. So it's written by, uh, the first author is Don D Wong, w a N G. And then the last author is, uh, Frank B hu H U. And it was written in March. It was published March 1st of this year in circulation, as I mentioned before. So, um, so it's a really interesting article. They followed the follow-up so many people. So this is like, this is a, um, analysis from the nurse's health study and from the health professionals follow-up study. So the nurses' health study started in 1976. And, um, so they followed 66,000 women from 66,066,000 women from like, so actually like based on various parameters, I think they didn't actually start, um, taking food, um, like food diaries from these people until 1984.
Speaker 0 00:20:12 So there needs to be followed. They basically follow this entire cohort of women from 1984 to 2014, which is like really great data. And then they, they followed 42,000 men from the health professionals follow-up study, which don't even get into the misogyny of all of that. But anyway, art nurses, health professionals too. Anyway. So then, um, so that's 42,000 men from 1986 to 2014. And so they, so they basically took all of the people in those studies that were free from cardiovascular disease, cancer, and diabetes at baseline, and then like tracked what they were eating and then calculated like their mortality, you know, at the end of the followup basically. And so, um, they had a F like, they basically gave them like a food frequency questionnaire that was updated every two to four years. And then from that, they concluded that we should be eating two servings of fruits every day and three servings of vegetables every day in order to reduce mortality. And this is the bad news, starchy vegetables, such as peas, corn and potatoes, as well as fruit juices do not count. Okay. So that is bad news, including sweet potatoes. I think sweet potatoes are okay, but not potatoes. So French fries like yeah.
Speaker 1 00:21:57 Archie vegetables. Yeah. Well, French fries. I didn't count as potatoes, starchy vegetables would be,
Speaker 2 00:22:03 Um, oh, so peas,
Speaker 1 00:22:08 Peas fall under starchy.
Speaker 0 00:22:10 Yeah. Peas, corn potatoes. Oh,
Speaker 1 00:22:19 Well, I mean, okay. That's not terrible news. So, um, and, and it's not okay. And the number is not ridiculous, right. Like I was worried you were going to be like, okay, Sam, like, you need to be eating, you know, seven servings of vegetables and five servings of fruit a day. And I was going to be like, seriously, I won't have time to eat anything else. Um, um, but that is sad about the lack of, you know, carbs and potatoes, but okay. This is not so bad. That's actually a pretty good, so, so what are the, like how much lower are we talking about? Like, what's the actual impact? So
Speaker 0 00:23:00 It actually reduces like mortality by like a good 13%. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, which is interesting. Um, but I mean, there's like the only thing that I have, like the only thing I have issues with is that like people who had high intakes of fruits and vegetables, like there's some confounding factors. I don't know if they controlled for them. Like they also, like, obviously they also didn't smell. And they also didn't, they had very low intake of alcohol as well. So I don't know if they tease that out from them. Um, but yeah, so it's like, it's, it's two servings of fruit a day, three servings of vegetables a day. So, yeah, but the thing is, is that, I guess the other issue I have with this, it isn't an issue with the article per se, but it's just like, it just calls into question.
Speaker 0 00:23:51 Like, I wonder how easy it is for people to get that many servings of fruits and vegetables a day, just because there's been like, I don't know what this, I don't know what the stats are in Canada, but in the states, I think people are only getting about two servings of fruits and vegetables a day. So that's like a significant, that's a significant deficit. Right. And then if you call into question, like if you, and the other thing is, and this, I don't know whether or not they took into account either. Um, is that why me? I don't know that they can take it into account. The good thing about these types of studies is that the, because, because the, um, people are kind of from one kind of socioeconomic status, you can kind of like control for factors like that. Cause they're all, like they're all nurses are all there.
Speaker 0 00:24:37 They're all health professionals. Right. So then you can control for the fact that like, um, income disparities, don't really like, don't really factor in. So you're just looking at, um, you're just looking at like their access or like, not even their access to food, but like just, you're just like documenting what they eat. Right. So, but then it just, it just makes me question like, as to how many people can actually get five servings of fruits and vegetables a day, given that, you know, fresh fruit and vegetables can be quite expensive. Right. And like, you know, in certain areas of the city, there's almost like food deserts where like, you can't actually find grocery stores that will stock food. Like, you know, that stock fresh fruit and vegetables, like within like a walkable distance, you know? So anyway, like, I'm sorry, go on. No,
Speaker 1 00:25:32 I was just going to ask, so, but, and what about the fact that are they actually just asking people to self declare their food intake?
Speaker 0 00:25:41 So, yeah, so there's questionnaires where they self declare their food intake, but they said it was semi quantitative, which means that I think that there must've been some marker that they use in order to actually track whether or not what somebody was reporting was actually the amount that they were eating. So then,
Speaker 1 00:26:02 Yeah, that's what I wanted to know because how easy would it be to sort of say, of course I eat my, you know, five servings of fruits and vegetables. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:26:12 Yeah, exactly. They didn't mention that. That was like a flaw in their article was that people who are self-reporting five. Um, but you know, that they were self-reporting that they were eating at least five servings, like may have been over-exaggerating how much that they were eating. So like, even though they say five is kind of like that limp, not the limit, but like basically what they found was that above five, but there were people ate more than five, but that there wasn't really a change in mortality in those people. So, um, so really like you get the most benefit at five and anything above that is of like, you know, like icing on the cake or whatever. And so, um, uh, but yeah, they did say that like people could be, could have been over-exaggerating how much they were eating. That is a possibility. But, um, they did say that they tried to control for that because I think they, they, they did have some sort of semi quantitative way of like assessing how much they were eating, but if they didn't actually report it in the actual article, there's like a previous article that they referred to, which they, I think they show you how they calculated it all out, but I didn't have time to go into it.
Speaker 0 00:27:15 Yeah. So anyway, so then that's kind of a, that was kind of an interesting article. It kind of gives you something to strive for, I guess, to make sure that you're eating five servings of fruits and vegetables a day. What does a Canada food guide say? Do you know? Yeah. Um, I
Speaker 1 00:27:32 Think five to seven, right?
Speaker 0 00:27:35 Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the funny thing is that different countries say different things. So like, yeah. So I think the us says that five servings of fruits and vegetables a day is fine. Australia says eat more than eat, which is, I was just like, wow, that is high. They got taller over time. Didn't they? They did. Yeah. Everyone's gotten taller over
Speaker 2 00:28:07 Time though. So it's not like just the Dutch,
Speaker 0 00:28:13 But yeah. So, uh, and the other thing I was thinking though, is that it's easy in Australia to get that many fruits and vegetables in, because they've got like that kind of tropical climate, you know, they have all those like interesting, like they have all sorts of interesting food that you can eat there. So I was just like, maybe, uh, you know, maybe it's a little easier in Australia, but uh, yeah. Like, hang on. So like the Canadian food guide is kind of vague. So right now it says eat plenty of vegetables and fruits, whole grain foods and protein, which is super vague.
Speaker 1 00:28:54 What it doesn't give you amounts. No, that's weird. I know.
Speaker 2 00:29:02 I thought
Speaker 1 00:29:03 For sure that they would give you, um,
Speaker 0 00:29:07 Actual amounts. Yeah, no, it doesn't actually give you, it doesn't actually give you a mounts. It basically says that half your plate should be fruits, fruits, and vegetables, but it doesn't actually tell you how much that is or what types. And I think that's the difference of that's, that's what this article lends to. A lot of the guides is that it actually tells you, like, you can eat these, but just keep in mind that you have to eat something else in order to make up for it. So like, you can eat your peas and corn, but not to eat like another vegetable or another piece of fruit, like be up for it because that's useless.
Speaker 1 00:29:48 I have to look up a list of like what all constitutes, um, like similar to peas, like the starchiness of potatoes and peas. I wonder if, um, Brussels sprouts falls under that,
Speaker 0 00:30:00 That counts as a green vegetables.
Speaker 1 00:30:04 Okay. What about asparagus?
Speaker 0 00:30:08 I think asparagus is okay too, but I'm not squash. Yeah. These were the only things that they said, peas, corn potatoes, and don't drink fruit juices. I mean, not that you can't drink them, but just that they won't, they have no effect on mortality. Interestingly, they didn't decrease mortality, but
Speaker 1 00:30:31 I mean, it'd be like, what? No, I was going to say like, okay, like, you know, so at least they don't, you know, impacted negatively if you drink. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:30:40 Exactly. That's what I meant to say. It's it's not a thing. Yeah. Because you know, they always say, oh, for juices, like the doubles, like it's the devil's drink nowadays. Right. Mainly because of all the added sugar, but like, like a natural fruit juice, it doesn't seem to increase. It didn't have any effect. Like, it didn't seem to increase mortality, but it doesn't decrease your mortality either. So it's just kind of like this non non-entity release. So yeah.
Speaker 1 00:31:03 I'm trying to take mental stock of what I ate today. I'm pretty sure I did not. No, I, maybe I did. He hit no, I didn't definitely did not hit five case. I had it. Yeah. No, I didn't. I had a pair. I had a weight servings, right? Like not pieces of fruit.
Speaker 0 00:31:27 Yeah. It's a serving. It's a serving of fruit. So one medium fruit. I can eat the whole fruit that counts as one serving. Got
Speaker 1 00:31:34 It. Okay. Yeah. No, I, I think I did not hit it today, but that's okay. Uh, I don't think I'm that far off.
Speaker 0 00:31:43 Yeah. So anyway, but like, yeah. I mean, it's, it's just something that I think that's something that should be kept in mind in terms of, in terms of like social advocacy. Cause I'm like five, five. Sounds like it isn't that much, but for some people it can be. And honestly, I don't know that I get to buy during the week. Cause I'm like, I'm eating at the hospital and I'm all places you would think, oh, the hospital, it should have like lots of healthy food go into a hospital cafeteria and just tell me how many healthy options there are. There are very few. So like, which is really ridiculous. Like I think that, uh, yeah, I, I have all sorts of issues with hospital calves, but anyway, like, um, yeah, so they
Speaker 1 00:32:22 Don't carry healthy options. They carry
Speaker 0 00:32:25 Healthy options. But when you're like eating at the hospital every day, like how many times are you going to eat the same cup of like carrots and celery? Oh, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:32:38 I'm trying to remember. Um, yeah, you're right. Like I don't, I think they just have the regular kinds of chains don't they in the cafeteria. So it's like, they don't have like, you know, those fresh organic juice bars and salad bars, do they?
Speaker 0 00:32:55 No, not usually. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1 00:32:58 That is weird. It is. The hospital would be the place. Yeah. You would think
Speaker 0 00:33:03 That they would actually be trying to like promote health in not just the patients, but in the people who are coming to visit. I mean, not the COVID is allowing anybody to visit, but then still, like you would think
Speaker 1 00:33:13 That you would want healthcare professionals who are
Speaker 0 00:33:16 Anybody who's working in the hospital. You would want them to be healthy too. But like clearly the hospital does not give a fuck. So I guess yeah. Or isn't too much to ask. I just don't know. Yeah. I'm just, yeah. I'm just curious to know what the barriers are, but, um, yeah, but like, I, I would think that there are probably barriers to it, but like now that there are articles coming out about like the amounts that you need to eat and how, and the fact that they actually do promote, they do promote longevity and decrease mortality. Like I think it kind of, it kind of behooves governments to make easier
Speaker 1 00:34:00 To guess it's a cost, it's probably a cost thing. Right? Like it's, it's a combination of probably cost and not having, um, a powerful advocate who who's friends with the right politicians
Speaker 0 00:34:14 Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, maybe like maybe the farmers just don't have a good lobbies, like, Hey, promote that promote the, the food that we, that we grow, you know? So I dunno,
Speaker 1 00:34:31 But cause promote the food, you know, that we grow so that, you know, people can be healthier than the last longer and the hospitals are like, what? And then, you know, um, maybe if they're too healthy, then we will not have jobs. No, no lasting longer than there'll be other issues to come too though. I mean, now you're
Speaker 0 00:34:53 Thinking like weird conspiracy theory. <inaudible>
Speaker 1 00:35:01 Never know a lot of, uh, conspiracy documentaries. I'm like, whoa, that makes sense.
Speaker 0 00:35:13 Yeah. I didn't know that I wouldn't buy into the whole long climb either, but it's not even the hospitals. It's just kind of like in general, right? Like that
Speaker 1 00:35:25 It's easy to sort of pass the buck on to other institutions and other individuals. Right. Like it's like what you said. Like I definitely, um, don't eat as, as I should. In fact I read, you know, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's hard work to make that decision all the time. It's like you said, like it's like day in, day out. Like, you know, inevitably I'm like, oh, but a chocolate bar would be so awesome. And I don't think twice about having chocolate for lunch, but you know, but when I have a salad for lunch, I'm like, wow. So proud of myself. Like it feels like Herculean task. That was like complish. Yeah. Um, so yeah, so no, there's definitely a lot that individuals can do as well to just start eating healthier. Yeah. I should. I'm trying. I'm I'm I'm trying to lose weight. It's hard work. I keep losing the same three and a half pounds over and over again by now I should be 30 pounds down because I've lost. It's the same three and a half cents. Nine times over.
Speaker 0 00:36:35 Well, it's hard. It's harder during the pandemic. Right? Like it's like, we're all kind of stuck at home, you know, like not getting as much exercise and you know, gyms are closed. So unless you have like a home gym available to you, like you can't get to the gym, like it's just, yeah. It's just, it's just tougher for everyone. Yeah. I think that's kind of like, I don't know, like going back to what you said about like trying to pass the buck, it's really about passing the buck. It's just about making it, making an infrastructure that allows for people to have access to these things. Because at the point, like it's difficult for an individual to like there's always so much change in individual kind of fact. Right. Cause I like, depending on, and as I said, like it, depending on your socioeconomic status, it might be really difficult to buy five servings of fruits and vegetables every day.
Speaker 1 00:37:29 Right? Yeah. Especially for a family that's like 20, you know, family of four on average.
Speaker 0 00:37:36 Yeah, exactly. So, um, and just knowing that like fresh fruit and vegetables are kind of like the more expensive items on your grocery
Speaker 1 00:37:44 List, right. Like, so yeah. And Adam premium if you're buying organic. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:37:49 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So then, um, so I think that there just has to be, I don't know, like more advocacy for like reducing that kind of like that kind of disparity between, between people. Like, I, I don't know, like we can, we could talk about this in terms of all sorts of different things. Right. Because like it brings up wealth disparity issues, it brings up like, um, yeah, like it also brings up like cultural issues. Cause like, if you think about it, like our society, just because, um, I don't know. It's another thing to think about this in the sense of like, we're always the chicken go, go, go society. So then like if you want to grab lunch really quickly, like, do you want to wait for like the rap filled with all the fruits and vegetables that may take a while to me or else like, do you want the ready-made like, you know, McDonald's burger and fries or just like zip in and zip out with the drive-through, you know, like it's just, it's that kind of thing. Like, um, like how easy is it to eat healthy
Speaker 1 00:38:53 Price? Right. Like a McDonald's meal is probably like, I don't know, six bucks, maybe seven bucks. Um, whereas like a salad or a deli rappel easily run you $15 does come down to money again. Affordability. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:39:13 And like, I think that's what bothers me because like, we can talk about this in the scientific realm by saying like, oh yeah. You know, like five servings of fruits and vegetables. It like helps increase longevity. It helps decrease mortality. But then like, it really only does that for certain sub segments of the population. Right. Some segment of the population that can afford to do that. So it's just like, so then who are we? Like, who is healthcare kind of, um, forgetting, right. Like, it's just,
Speaker 1 00:39:48 I know I'm thinking about all these different issues.
Speaker 0 00:39:53 I know, I know. I mean, I don't know, like if, if like, but then I also think about like the way like the Europeans have it, you know, where they have like long lengthy lunches and they can go up, like, you can go out for a walk while they go grab like, you know, whatever, their, whatever they're eating or like, you know, you can, uh, maybe that allows you to go home and actually like make a meal and then have it in the comeback. Like, you know, like, whereas like in our society where it's just like, no, I have to eat like at my desk, like this really quick lunch, like what, what goes while I'm working? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And like, and, and yeah, some people can make their lunches. That's fine. But then like that takes time too. Right. Like who can afford this time in order to do that. Right. So yeah. It just, it, I don't know. It just brings up a lot of, it just brings up a lot of, um, issues around food and, and who, who has access to it, who has access to like the right foods, that type of thing. Right.
Speaker 1 00:40:51 So there's definitely a lot to unpack there for sure. And I just have this image of you sort of delving into both these articles that you talked about four in the morning and then go down those rabbit holes and then, you know, next to my CEO, you'll be like, so remember that article. Oh my gosh. I found like 20 other supportive studies. I know, I know.
Speaker 0 00:41:20 I know. And then you can go into like all of like the social implications of it too. So it's just like, yeah, you can, you can go on forever. But anyway. Yeah. But like speaking of something like totally different. So also to do with like also to do with aging. So I was listening to the scrubs, so okay. So like, yeah. I'm multitasking. So I was listening to this scrubs podcast because, you know, I like scrubs. So anyway, so yes. Is that BRAF and Donald Faison have this podcast called, um, fake doctors, real friends. And so they're actually, it's really cute. So anyway, they go to the two of them go through scrubs episodes and then they kind of give you, um, like a, kind of like a behind the scenes kind of like synopsis of what happens. So like, you know, they'll, they'll talk about like, they'll talk about the episode very minimally, but then they'll talk about scenes they liked or whatever.
Speaker 0 00:42:18 And then also what happened at that time. So like, because one episode I was listening to, apparently I can't remember what episode it was, but like, I think Turk, like last Sue's JB. And so apparently, so John, Donald the zone, when he was last doing JD actually actually yanked really hardly on like on Zach Braff and like hurt him. And so Zach, Zach apparently was like pissed off. And so, um, at the time, like he was like super pissed off at him and like the fuse to talk to him. So then like, so he's like, you know, that kind of like tension that you see in the scene it's because a few days he like refused to Dr. Donald because he was like, so pissed off. But anyway, so you kind of get these like little snippets and stuff and then they also, so yeah.
Speaker 0 00:43:07 So you get like behind the scenes snippets, then they all, they usually also interview somebody from the show and then they like have fan callers. Anyway, it's a lot of fun. It's like an app, but like it's a long podcast. It's often like the hour and a half range. But anyway, but then, so I was listening to one episode and it just, it just triggered something in me just because like, you know, we're doing this aging podcast. So Zach Braff was talking about the audition process. And so he apparently was like sitting in on, in, on an audition. He didn't say for what? So I don't know if it was for scrubs or if it was for a movie or a different TV show. Like I have no idea. But he was telling you was telling everybody that basically like there was this one, like actor who came in, she was, she was in her twenties, uh, really kind of vibrations bubbly.
Speaker 0 00:44:00 He thought she was perfect for the part she read. He thought she did great. And then there was another woman that they thought that they, you know, they asked to audition. She was good, but he liked the first woman. So anyway, so then he, you know, they, they were talking about her and whether or not she would fit the part. And then one of the executives, I don't know if it was an executive, but like somebody was involved in the casting process, um, in the show. And I think it might've been a woman don't quote me on that. It might've been a woman said, oh, you know that first girl, she was really good, but you know, she has too expressive of face. Oh yeah. And then keep in mind, I think this might've been for a pilot. It might've been for a pilot. So, and if people don't know like often like pilots don't get picked up so you can audition for it. Like actually like film it, but then it may not ever get picked up. So then, so anyway, the woman said, actually don't quote me the person. I think it was a woman. But anyway, the person said she's got such an expressive face. I think it's too expressive. What if it wrinkles? Huh? Yes. What if it wrinkles that
Speaker 1 00:45:19 You should go with that story? Yeah. I thought you, when you said she was too expressive a face, I thought you were going to go with like, you know, that it's exaggerated, you know, whatever, but wrinkles.
Speaker 0 00:45:35 Yeah. They, she said, or this person, this person said, what if the kids, like, what if she ends up getting too wrinkled as the show progresses, but can you believe this she's in her twenties? Do you expect the show to go on for like 20, 30 years? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Can you believe this bullshit?
Speaker 1 00:45:53 So like, oh my God. So it's so that's okay. No, sorry. I just pricked up because we know this is a area of a pet peeve, so what the fuck? So they, they were kind of basically saying that they're projecting, first of all, someone's genetics and, and they're basically saying wrinkles are a bad thing. You're saying being expressive and showing your emotions or being transparent with your emotions, which will lead to wrinkles is a bad thing. This is wrong on so many levels.
Speaker 0 00:46:34 So, so many levels I know. Right, right. Oh my God. Okay. I knew that there was like misogyny and ageism that was ramped into Hollywood. But like, to this level, can you believe it? But in an acting audition, these are the kinds of things that are being said. Like, it just bothered me. Cause I was just like, no wonder every, every well, not every woman in Hollywood, but so many women in Hollywood are like, you know, obsessed with like maintaining youth, like to the point that they're like, you know, putting like fillers in their face and like, you know, like tweaking it and like undergoing plastic surgery and stuff like that. And I'm like, it's because of comments like this, which are just like French, total bullshit. Like, I couldn't believe it. Like I was just like, you would never say that to a man. He would never say
Speaker 1 00:47:22 It's not cause that that oh no. Yeah. Maybe, maybe no me.
Speaker 0 00:47:29 Yeah. Maybe, maybe it's possible. But like, yeah. It's possible. I mean, cause like nowadays you see, you do see it. You do see it in
Speaker 1 00:47:37 A month. I'm starting to see a lot of plastic looking men too.
Speaker 0 00:47:42 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm seeing a lot of like people looking like they've got fillers in their face and things like that. I think it is affecting the men as well. But like, I just couldn't like, I can't believe that like the ageism is just spoken out there. Like, you know what I mean? It's not even a human man. It's just like, yeah, she might look old. Oh my God.
Speaker 1 00:48:03 So basically you're asking her to not be a good actress because, so, you know, if, can you imagine if she actually gets that feedback and you know, someone tells her, oh, you know what the problem with you was that, you know, you were, you were way too expressive and that's going to wrinkle and imagine her going through light the next audition, looking as robotic as possible. So basically she's going to hamper her chances of getting cast. Cause she's gotta be so self-conscious. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:48:32 Or it could even go into more extremes than she could get Botox put in her face at the age of 20, just so that she doesn't like wrinkle, you know? Like it's just like that she doesn't show expression in her face so that she might angle. Like, it's just so ridiculous. Well now I
Speaker 1 00:48:48 Need to know was she cast or no person too?
Speaker 0 00:48:53 Yeah. I don't think she was cast.
Speaker 1 00:48:56 I still want to know who this,
Speaker 0 00:48:58 I know. It's like, it's like one of those blind gossip art like items, but like it's. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. That was an interesting little tidbit that I found this week. So
Speaker 1 00:49:10 Yeah. I'm still laughing about the fact that you're always like managing to find time. Like I feel like this week I was so out of it cause I was like working and I was like, I know I was supposed to read some of some stuff. Thank God that you did it. It's all good. I'm sure. So I will say that it's not going to be a science C article because I probably wouldn't even understand 99% of it and I'd have to call you up anyway. Can you decipher this? I'm going to send you a link. Can you read it and tell me what it's about?
Speaker 0 00:49:56 I know, but like, I mean, it might not even with my science background, sometimes I can't figure out, you know, like that longevity article, I was talking about understand what they were talking about. I don't even understand the title to be
Speaker 1 00:50:14 From that article. And this is my bad memory. I probably should. After this recording session, go and eat some fruits and vegetables to my memory. Maybe some blueberries, raspberries, you know, antioxidants in my system, what works for memories anyway. Um, I think my biggest takeaway from that is, you know, if you play your cards, right, you could live up to 150. And that's all I remember from that article.
Speaker 0 00:50:40 Pretty much if you, well, the thing is, and I, and basically no one has managed to play their cards to that point yet.
Speaker 1 00:50:48 So the, the, there is someone who managed to play their cards right up to one 20 right. Or one. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:50:55 I think the oldest living woman is 122.
Speaker 1 00:50:58 Yeah. From Japan. I don't know why. I feel like it's from Japan. Yeah. Hang
Speaker 0 00:51:03 On. I'm going to, I'm going to look it up right now. Cause I'm just like, I'm just, I'm just curious oldest living human. Uh, okay. So, oh yeah. You're right. Japan, Connie to NACA oldest known living man is Saturnino doula went to Garcia of Spain, but this means people are aged 122 I'm one. Oh no, hang on. Oh. Oh. I, I lie. The oldest, the person who's reached the oldest age was John coming. Come on. Sorry, John coma. She was born in 1875. She died in 1997. She was 122 years old. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:51:48 That's impressive. Yeah. I wonder. Yeah. I'm going to look her up after this.
Speaker 0 00:51:58 Yeah. The oldest man, the oldest verified man is Jiro Eamon, Kimora. Sorry. I know I'm totally mangling that. Um, he died in 2013 and he lived to the age of 116 years. And currently the oldest known living person is Connie Tanaka. She's 118. And then as I said, like <inaudible> Garcia he's 112. So yeah. Yeah. I wonder how cute they look.
Speaker 1 00:52:32 I know as soon as I said that, I was like, oh my God, that is such a wrong thing to say, oh, it's progress guys.
Speaker 0 00:52:44 I know I catch myself too. Cause I'm always like, oh, I want to be like her. I can't say that anymore. But anyway. Yeah. So that was my week.
Speaker 1 00:52:57 No, that was a very productive week. Um, I am thoroughly, um, you know, um, embarrassed now all I did this week was work and complain about it, you know, and, and, and eat a lot of ice cream. Um,
Speaker 0 00:53:20 Yeah. Oh man. I wish ice cream. I wish fruit ice cream counted as a of fruit,
Speaker 1 00:53:27 But you know what though? Maybe fruit ice cream with, uh, bits of fruit in, it would count maybe.
Speaker 0 00:53:34 Right. I wish
Speaker 1 00:53:37 Like you have some strawberry ice cream and then you just sort of chop up some strawberries and put them in and you know yeah.
Speaker 0 00:53:44 Yeah. That's true. I wonder does a banana split count?
Speaker 1 00:53:49 It is a banana a hundred percent I think, oh my God, I usually have bananas sliced up. And then I drizzle a little bit of Nutella on it and it's just heaven and avocado with a little bit of sugar on it. Also heaven. Yeah. You chill the avocado and then you slice it really thin. And then you just sort of sprinkle a little bit of brown sugar on it and it's, it is heaven. So that is essentially how I trick myself into having more fruit.
Speaker 0 00:54:26 Hey dude, whatever works, man, whatever works like that's your serving of fruit to go for it. Yeah, exactly. Just think about it as you're eating it. You're like, I am now preventing premature death. There you go.
Speaker 1 00:54:43 Correct. Um, so on that note, I feel like I should go and actually have some ice cream with some cut up fruit in it and it will simultaneously hit my fruit quarter and it'll cheer me up boost of energy before I have to sit down to work again. So, oh gosh. Yeah. Someday, someday we will retire rich. We will win the lottery and retire, right?
Speaker 0 00:55:19 Yeah. Hey, I've got, I've got my, uh,
Speaker 2 00:55:22 I'm hoping for the lotto Masta
Speaker 1 00:55:24 To come up 70 million, go buy, go buy a ticket. I haven't already, I mean, yeah. I always just think about it. I never do. So, you know, I need a lottery if I want to win it.
Speaker 0 00:55:40 Oh my goodness. We should tell her this nurse, this isn't, this isn't a viable retirement plan.
Speaker 1 00:55:46 Please do not to follow said advice or, or wish the same thing because very stupid plan, guaranteed failure. Um, anyway, um, I think on that note, we should probably, uh, call it a night this time and um, uh, hopefully we will see you next week. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:56:13 Um, so yeah, so find us on, uh, yeah. Find us on our website. Does this make me look old, email.com that has links to, uh, our Facebook, Instagram Twitter accounts, um, or, you know, you can just, uh, you can just email us that, does this make me look older, gmail.com and, or just find it.
Speaker 1 00:56:33 It was really good about responding there.
Speaker 0 00:56:37 I do. I do, actually I do check that email quite, quite readily.
Speaker 1 00:56:42 I was like, what? She's on top of things.
Speaker 0 00:56:47 I know you take care of social. I, I can, I can try to hold my part down with like old person that old person, social media,
Speaker 1 00:56:58 Before we sign off, uh, speaking of old person, who's like doing something stupid these days. So I'm addicted to tick-tock and I was crawling through the other night cause I couldn't fall asleep cause I was so tired. You know, when you're so tired from working that you can't sleep. And so I was scrolling on Tik TOK. It was like two o'clock in the morning and an ad popped up on Tik TOK. And I thought it was just mad, but it wasn't, it was actually a message saying that I've been scrolling for way too long. Don't I want a break. That was the ad. That was the ad. Oh my goodness. How embarrassing?
Speaker 0 00:57:36 Gosh, that's crazy good on Tik TOK for doing that. I
Speaker 1 00:57:40 Was very impressed. Yeah. Properly chastised. And I was like, okay, on that note, I will put this down. Yeah. Wow. So clearly
Speaker 0 00:57:58 Clearly on Tik talk too much. Is that what you're trying to say?
Speaker 1 00:58:00 No, I was going to say, I forgot my went through my head, but please. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Go ahead.
Speaker 0 00:58:07 It's good. It's good. The tick talks actually like, you know, taking care of people's kind of like social media experience and like, you know, but without all this, to say, this SIM is all over social. So if you want to hit us up, hit us up on social as well. Cause
Speaker 1 00:58:22 That that's the only thing will actually respond <inaudible> on that note. See you next week.
Speaker 3 00:58:33 Sounds good. Bye bye.
