Speaker 0 00:00:03 Hi, and welcome to does this make me local, a podcast about aging as gracefully as possible when you're just not ready for two 40 something year old friends will find themselves kind of straddling that really odd period of time when aging and everything that is associated with is starting to become a much bigger part of our lives. We're definitely curious, but at the same time, rather terrified about aging. I'm Schiff. I'm a health science nerd and pop culture themes, and I'm SIM and adult and weighting obsessed with finance and self-help books. We're going to be talking about the stereotypes of aging and how they affect us. And we'll also be doing some deeper dives into some interesting topics, such as what it's like to get old in the society dating when you're older and scientific advancements in anti-aging products and even evolution and scientific thinking around aging and throughout it all we chat rant laugh about or adulting mishaps of which there are so, so, so many. So join us as we navigate our second quarter-life crisis. Hi,
Speaker 1 00:01:08 I'm SIM and welcome to this week's episode of does this make me look old where two friends get together and chat about all things related to getting older? Yeah. Hi. So today we actually had, uh, I think it's an interesting topic because, uh, you know, we were doing some, we were doing some of that research into myths about getting older and, uh, we came across this, uh, interesting, I guess, publication that the, who put out called demystifying the myths of aging, and they actually had a number of these myths around aging, and we were going to just discuss a few of them and see, you know, how we felt about them, whether or not we buy into them. Um, and, uh, yeah. So did you want to go into the first myth? Um, sure. So the first one it's, it's one, it's a well-known adage, I think.
Speaker 1 00:02:01 Right? Like, and people use it all the time and it's, um, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Yeah. So, so what do you think about that? Do you think that that's true? I would like to think it's not. Um, I feel, well, I don't know. Did I tell you that, um, this summer I started to learn how to swim? Oh, no, I didn't hear no. No. So tell us more about that. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, I mean, so I have this weird, insane fear that I'm somehow going to die death by drowning. Essentially. It's something it's like one of those irrational fears. Um, don't know why I never had a bad experience or anything like that, but it's just one of those things where I love the concept of swimming and, um, uh, you know, it looks amazing. It looks like fun, but I've never learned how to swim. And, um, and every time I go into the pool, I kind of freak out, like in terms of, you know, like I wanna, I see at the edge, um, you know, I guess side effect of not knowing how to swim. So, um, what ended up happening though is at one point, I think I'm like, you know what, that's it, no things have to change. So I took swimming lessons this past summer, and I have to say, I'm pretty well, I'm not good.
Speaker 0 00:03:20 It's starting to sound way too confident there for a second.
Speaker 1 00:03:22 But I have to say like, now I can float. I can do the front crawl. Um, you know, I haven't mastered the backstroke yet, but getting there and, and, you know, um, I mean the pandemic put an end to my practice sessions,
Speaker 0 00:03:41 But,
Speaker 1 00:03:44 Uh, but, uh, you know, but I feel confident enough that when things open up, uh, I can continue those lessons and get better. So, um, so yeah, I don't know. I don't think I fully buy into it, but maybe
Speaker 0 00:03:57 No. I mean, yeah, I certainly don't buy into it and that's because, uh, like that's because of my own personal experience, like my mother, well, my mother is a superpower to be honest. Like, so she, like, when she was younger, she like got her master's in zoology, but then, because like she's from India. And like when we came over, um, you know, her like her master's degree, wasn't recognized. So she took a little break in order to raise us. And then, but then like when I, when she was in her forties, she decided to just go back to school and do another master's.
Speaker 0 00:04:34 So she like wrote a master's thesis and like, so she got a second master's and like in food microbiology, and then, yeah. And then she went and did like research in, in like a totally different field. So like, I, yeah, I don't, I like, from my personal experience, I don't believe that you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Like, I, I don't know. Um, I mean, obviously every story about your mom is so cool. Yeah. So, yeah, I know. And so, like, I think that, uh, yeah, I think that when you, like, I think that people do underestimate what you can learn at an older age.
Speaker 1 00:05:12 So what about that? I guess, you know, how people think that, um, as you get older, your cognitive abilities dissipate, or you don't have enough energy to do all those things. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:05:24 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's really person dependent, right? It's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:05:29 So it seems like that I actually, one of my dad's friends, um, he is a professor. Um, and, um, but somehow his name came up the other day at dinner when, um, I was having dinner with my folks and my dad mentioned that apparently he went to med school now, wow. He's going to med school, not when he's going to med school. Now he just decided that, you know what, I always wanted be a doctor. And, um, you know, it's great that I've been teaching all this time, but I kind of, you know, want to make that dream come true. And he applied and he got in and he's now studying. That's awesome. Um, I mean, my dad is what, 67. Wow. So he must be around that age. That's awesome. Holy crap. I mean, I don't know if he's going to practice or anything, but still
Speaker 0 00:06:24 I think that it probably would though, right? Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't go through all that trouble and then just be like, Nope, sorry.
Speaker 1 00:06:30 No, I think that's amazing. So, yeah. So, um, so, okay. So that deep myth definitely demand. What is the three people, Hey, listen, we're being extremely scientific. Um, but where does, um, what wh
Speaker 0 00:06:48 Okay. Yeah, so basically they're saying that, um, studies actually show that older people are often more highly motivated and persistent than their younger counterparts in training courses. And then when mixed age groups learn together, not only can older people be better students, but their presence frequently motivates younger people to try harder and older students can make good use of their life experience and helping them deal with new situations and can rely on their greater understanding of people.
Speaker 1 00:07:14 See we're aligned so clearly along the right lines. Okay. Myth. The second myth. Let's see, I had written them down here somewhere. It's um, Oh right. This one's a good one. Creativity and making a contribution is limited to the youth making a contribution. What money-wise creativity. I know,
Speaker 0 00:07:44 I think that's kind of vague, but like clearly if you can teach an old dog new tricks, then clearly they're making contributions
Speaker 1 00:07:52 Contribution to society.
Speaker 0 00:07:54 Isn't that making a contribution to like,
Speaker 1 00:07:56 Yeah, but I guess I was trying to wonder in terms of what, like, you know, volunteering time, um, art stories, uh, I mean, we could go,
Speaker 0 00:08:09 We could go back to the WIA show and see exactly what they were referring to. So it looks like they were referring to the fact that the myths that have created that creativity in a productive life are the province of young people is persistence imposing compulsory retirement ages and linking creativity and societal contribution to economic productivity have learned or have largely created the Smith. So I guess they're talking about con yeah. Contribution to society and contribution to the economic climate.
Speaker 1 00:08:41 Okay, cool.
Speaker 0 00:08:42 Really your father's friend is debunking that myth all on his own because he's going back to school in his sixties. Not only becoming a doctor, but like, you know,
Speaker 1 00:08:51 Yeah. That's actually funny, right? Like, um, don't, the retirees actually contribute a lot economically to our society. I would think that they would like run. Like, I mean, I would imagine that they'd be like the S the biggest contributor to the cruise line. Yeah, that's true. I'm just trying to think, like, like, like, you know, the snowbirds who go to travel to Florida every year, and I'm just talking about our society. Like I'm not even talking global globally, but I don't know. Like, I feel like they contribute economically. I know for sure. And it's their retirement funds, so they've contributed their productivity. They're reaping the benefits, but then they put it back into the economy by actually taking advantage of those benefits.
Speaker 1 00:09:51 It comes about because people, I mean, you know, in a capitalist society, you're thinking about like numbers of people who are, um, able to consume or buy things. Right. And so, like, you would think that a young family with children, like, that's your kind of market, right? Because like, if you're having the 2.4 kids or however many, it is like, that's a family of four plus who can like buy things. But then, and they're all technically young, but then I dunno, like I was reading a stat that said that by 2020, the numbers of people 60 and above are going to like be, um, greater than the number of people who are five and below. So, I mean, and I'm sorry, but people five and below don't shop, you know, that's like a big economic like, market that you're kind of looking into. Right. Oh, you mean because they're future consumers, but yeah.
Speaker 1 00:10:46 So here's the funny thing, right? Like, so technically we're in that age bracket that do get killed. Yes. Right. We're slowly leaving that age. Yeah. But, but like, we're sort of still there because most people in this age group have the 2.4 kids and the house already, because if you're a young parent, like, like say in your early twenties, chances are that maybe you don't have, well, actually that's a generalization I shouldn't make. Right. Like, but what I'm, what I just mean is like, you know, they're so young that they may have actually not eased into that whole extra spending that people in their thirties and forties seem to do with, like, when you're in twenties, you're still sort of getting established in your career and stuff. So you don't have children, but at the same time, you know, you're probably starting your career. You're so young not to like totally jumped to a different topic.
Speaker 1 00:11:40 But I mean, I think, I feel like the, the economic market has kind of changed because, you know, even a few decades ago, people in their twenties were buying houses and, you know, setting up families and things like that. But now that, that marker has actually moved down a few decades. Like now people in their thirties and forties are the ones who are buying houses and setting up families. So like, maybe that's what I was thinking did get by the day. Yeah, for sure. But also like in terms of creativity, like, um, I mean, there are plenty of examples out there of like, um, artists and actors and singers and people like doing things like after a certain age. Right. Like after an age, you would think that like is considered useful. Right? Yeah. So, um, I think the example that comes to mind is like, it wasn't Stan Lee, like 40 or something when he became famous.
Speaker 1 00:12:40 Yeah. I know when I was just, I was just reading the Judi Dench, didn't actually start, you know, becoming a household name until she was in her sixties. Apparently most of her Oscar nominations were when she was in her sixties, which is fine. Glowing, but yeah. Wow. Even though she'd been an actress for a long time, cause I feel like she's like amazing and I've always known about her <inaudible> I know, but I don't actually know a lot about it now. I know. I feel like she must be in her eighties by now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So I think like, yeah, you're right. Like, so I don't know creativity. And, and w was it DaVinci Michelangelo? Michelangelo, Michelangelo was working on St. Piers, the silica until he was 89. And I think he didn't even, he didn't start until the seventies. So like, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:13:28 I like definitely creativities and, you know, it's limited to the youth at all. Yeah. So I think, yeah, we agree with the debunking. That's bullshit. Okay. I like that bullshit. Um, yeah, it's bullshit. So, um, okay. The next one that I'm coming across here on this list is spending on old who'll spending on older people is a waste of resources. This is definitely a stupid, but I wonder if a lot of people leave that. I don't know. I'm curious, I guess. I mean, I dunno. I feel like with COVID a lot of like these like ages kind of attitudes kind of came out, you know, it was kind of like, Oh, they're older. Like really, Oh, that's terrible. Now I know people were thinking things like, Oh, you know, the reason trust should be saved for the youngest. The resources should be saved for younger people or that, you know, it's their time.
Speaker 1 00:14:29 And, you know, they would've died anyway, that type of thing, which I think is like total BS. But, you know, I can, I can sort of almost hear people say stupid things like this, where it's like, well, they've lived there. They lived their life. Yeah, exactly. They had a, they had a long life and this was just their time, you know? Yeah. That's terrible. Yeah. I don't know. I don't, I don't, we shouldn't, we should research this and look into it, like, you know, like sort of find out like, is this true? I mean, not that they're waste of resources, but do they actually take up more resources? Cause I definitely don't think that they're a waste of resource. And uh, but I just want to know like what the, yeah. Like what is it that led to this myth? You know what I wonder,
Speaker 0 00:15:13 Some of it is just because as you get older, there are more age related illnesses that you come, you know, that you now have. And then, um, you end up requiring, you know, um, increased levels of care often in, um, like at least in the medical field, like what's known as like tertiary care, like level hospitals. And so, you know, like for example, like an ICU bed costs more than like home care, for example, do you know what I mean? Like in that sense, like, so I wonder,
Speaker 1 00:15:48 I think it just comes with like,
Speaker 0 00:15:50 Like our respective fields, but yeah. Like I have a feeling like that's maybe where it comes from is just that older people end up requiring more care. Um, just because of age related illnesses and babies don't well, I mean, although they are cute.
Speaker 1 00:16:08 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:16:09 It's just like proportionally the number of elderly who ended up needing hospital care is like different from the number of infants and children that require hospital care. Right. So then maybe that that's where it's come from. I mean, like, it, it, I wonder, yeah. I'm just curious to see how that wh old debunk that Oh yeah, look it up. But yeah. So yes. So the myths seven is, um, well, myths seven from the list, not arm is seven. We're only going to be looking at like a subset of these, but like, um, yeah. So their comment is that providing services from older people takes away resources from young people is a misconception, and then they feel that many of the changes needed to improve the quality of life of older people actually benefit all age groups. So for example, so they, so they listed the example of safety measures. So for example, um, putting safe crossings on busy road save lives at any age, better lighting in the streets and at home reduces the risk of falling for everyone. So even though people who are elderly and they're more prone to falling, um, even though that could quote be, um, you know, some sort of a resource suck, technically lots of people are prone to falling. Not necessarily just the elderly I know
Speaker 1 00:17:24 Ever since I was I ever since
Speaker 0 00:17:26 I know I'm so clumsy today, actually they are like, no, today I was, as I was like walking down the steps of my house, I literally stumbled. It's not just the elders.
Speaker 1 00:17:41 No, definitely not. Um, walked into lampposts and tripped on flat ground way too many times.
Speaker 0 00:17:50 Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know. I think about that all the time. Like every time there's a near miss I'm, like that could have been a broken hip anyway. So it's definitely not just the elderly, but anyway, so they talk about things like structural improvements onto such things such as pavements or obstacles. I think they would benefit all of us as we have just proven and, um, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:18:15 Who has written this and we're like, we've just,
Speaker 0 00:18:22 Yes, that's right. People by reading out this article, supporting this. Um, yeah. So, uh, Oh, and actually, this is an interesting, this is an interesting comment that they made. So it says older people, particularly those living alone cannot use many quote family size products in supermarkets, but packaging, supermarket products and smaller sizes for older people living alone can also help students and other single people, Hey, there you go. Yeah. That's kind of cool. Yeah. So yeah, so I think they, I think that they, uh, they, they took, they took it. Oh, you know what? I think I was reading the wrong one. <inaudible> Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 00:19:14 It's still relevant information. I think it does go to show that's basically spending on them and figuring out ways to sort of benefit them and making their lives easier and help can, can help the broader society. So I don't think it's actually a mistake.
Speaker 0 00:19:28 No, no, exactly. And actually I think that, like that myth and then another myth that they were trying to debunk, which was spending on care for older people, waste resources, which is actually what we were talking about. They were also saying that spending on appropriate services for older people can save money because then the elderly can be kept mobile and active in their social networks and reduces their need for additional care. So then, um, so for example, if small amounts of money are spent on things like hearing AIDS and walking AIDS or ensuring the correct use of like medication, then it can actually prevent them going into hospitals for, um, yeah. So I think that actually makes a lot of sense. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:20:07 That's cool. I like that one. Yeah. Okay. Ooh. Okay. So there's two that are sort of related, but I'll start with one of them. Okay. And it's basically says older people are not suited to the modern workplace.
Speaker 0 00:20:21 Yeah, no, I know. So sometimes I buy into this for myself mainly because I feel like I'm computer illiterate time.
Speaker 1 00:20:35 I mean, not that I'm defending that you buy into it. Yeah. But you've sucked at all social media and technology for the last 10, 15 years that I've known you pretty much.
Speaker 0 00:20:48 Yeah. I'm not on Facebook on Facebook. Yeah. And like, Oh, the number of times I screw up zoom calls is unbelievable. I'm on mute when I don't want to be, I turn on the camera when I'm not supposed to, like, it's just ridiculous. Yeah. So, and I don't necessarily consider myself elderly, who knows maybe in this day and age, like I am definitely an old, but yeah. So for myself, sometimes I feel, how do you feel?
Speaker 1 00:21:24 No, like for me, this is one of those cases where it's definitely people's specific.
Speaker 0 00:21:28 Oh, definitely. Like, as I'm saying this about myself and being not suited, like my mom, like going back to my mom, like she went right back into the workforce, you know, like into her well into her sixties. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:21:42 My dad is probably better suited to figuring out a lot of the techie things, but yeah. But I'm not, I mean, not just techie things, but well, maybe it's a, you know, thing, like my sister is younger and she is better at techie and more mechanical things. Yeah. The example that does come to mind is that when I was younger, I did figure those things out. Yeah. But I think it was more a function of my interests. So for example, you know, I'm into Korean dramas,
Speaker 0 00:22:11 Right. Um,
Speaker 1 00:22:14 Been that I've been into them like basically
Speaker 0 00:22:18 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:22:20 Then before it was so accessible on Netflix, you actually have to go hunting for them.
Speaker 0 00:22:26 So now here Sam is talking about how she's an old back in the day, <inaudible>
Speaker 1 00:22:36 You go hunting and you had to go to like, um, so I was living in San Francisco at the time and I remember I used to go to all the different um, Chinatowns um, in, in those video stores. Right. And, and sort of go looking because, you know, Korean dramas were like a subset of Asian dramas, you know, and it was harder to find them and I would sort of go looking for that. And then sometimes the translations would be so awful. Right. Cause it was like, I guess computer generated and the translation services weren't that great. They were really, really terrible. So what you could do is you could go into online communities and find people who were fans and who would actually submit them properly and have the sub files.
Speaker 0 00:23:26 Okay. Sorry.
Speaker 1 00:23:30 So what you had to do was sync them up and the time them, so that the flight, you know, that the speed of the subtitle track would match the video track. And uh, so you could watch properly, it would be out of sequence. And I actually used to do that. I would literally go find those dramas, find downloads, whatever. Right. Like different sources and, and, and then, you know, reach out to those communities, try and find someone who is subtitling, the ones I want to see. Wow. And I did all that and I don't know if I would actually do that now. So yeah. So maybe I buy into it a little bit too, but yeah.
Speaker 0 00:24:17 But for me, it's one of those things where like, there are certain things that, you know, that you are not willing to kind of,
Speaker 1 00:24:27 You know, so it's more of my time and willing. Yes. Yeah. Because like, I don't know, I just can't be bothered to get into tick-tock yet or at all,
Speaker 0 00:24:38 You could say that, but then I'm not even into Facebook that, you know, once you're like the gateway social media is off limits, then pretty much all.
Speaker 1 00:24:48 Um, but being suited to the modern workplace though, I don't know. I don't know how much I buy into that. Obviously most of the CEOs and stuff. Right. Like we're not talking about startups, but like the established companies, I'm assuming that most of them are in their fifties and sixties or senior executives anyway. Yeah. A lot of them are fifties and sixties or, you know, um, I don't know if it's older, but in most cases, like they seem so competent, so they should be,
Speaker 0 00:25:16 So the big decisions that affect the company. Right. So like,
Speaker 1 00:25:19 Well, okay. Um, I mean, even politically like Joe Biden is like what the oldest president to be. Um, I think so. Okay. I don't know. I know that he is,
Speaker 0 00:25:32 He's in his late seventies. That's true. But I'm not sure if that's like 79. Okay.
Speaker 1 00:25:37 I think it's oldest as an, at the start of the presidency. Maybe. I don't know. We should look that up. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:25:44 Man. This is where we need to research. If you don't do all the research we end up talking about,
Speaker 1 00:25:51 We should. Um, but yeah, no, but I think, I think he is. I think he's the, I think that was one of the talking points of all the news outlets is that this is he's going to be the oldest, uh, or at least one of the oldest presidents that the U S has had. But anyway, I mean, I don't know. He seems pretty okay.
Speaker 0 00:26:09 No, exactly. Like, I mean, um, yeah, like I, I don't know if I totally buy into that. Like, I mean I can understand. Yeah. And then, well, I mean, the other thing is, is that like, even in my workplace, like some people, some people continue to work well into their seventies, you know? And they're still just as enthusiastic and about learning and keeping up with like everything involved in the field. Um, sometimes even more so than people who are younger. So yeah.
Speaker 1 00:26:37 And actually I've kind of seen, um, the opposite in some ways. Okay. So for example, I've heard people in their forties who act like life has ended. Like they have nothing left to achieve. Do you know what I mean? And that's like, they don't want to adjust to everything. And I there's, everything is a back in their day conversation. There's a fatalistic like as though, you know, so death is around the corner. Death is around the corner and, and, and adjusting to something new is, I mean, automatically rejected the concept of adjusting. Never, not just in the workplace, but like just anything in general. So I feel like I've, I've come across people like that too. So I don't know if it has anything to do with age. So I'll just adjust.
Speaker 0 00:27:26 Honestly. It's just like, I think like a lot of these things, it's like making these broad generalizations about people who are older when really it's all about the individual and their attitudes towards life. Right. In some ways like,
Speaker 1 00:27:38 But then people say like stereotypes exist for,
Speaker 0 00:27:44 So where do you stand on that? Yeah. I feel like you just have to take things on a case by case basis, right? Like I think generalizations can be problem in all walks of life. Okay. What's the last one,
Speaker 1 00:28:02 The last one related, it's basically the experiences of older people have little relevance in modern society.
Speaker 0 00:28:11 Okay. Hmm. That's interesting. So what exactly did they mean by that? I don't know.
Speaker 1 00:28:19 Like, I feel like all of it was talking along those lines. Right? Like, you're not creative enough. You don't do it. Like everything is basically making them sound irrelevant. Whereas I feel like we've been showing that it isn't, or at least saying it isn't,
Speaker 0 00:28:34 I mean all with anecdotal evidence, obviously, whatever. Well, that's interesting. So the experience of older people has little relevance in modern society.
Speaker 1 00:28:49 I dunno where it's like what that even means to actually respond to it, because right off the top of my head, I'm like, are you stupid?
Speaker 0 00:28:59 Why would it have any relevance? Don't we call it wisdom. Yeah. I mean, that's exactly it. Right. And then also like going back to like, what we've talked about in previous podcasts, like history does repeat itself. And so if you don't learn from the people who've lived from it before, then you're kind of bound to repeat the same mistakes. So like, I suppose the more stupid ones, but I don't know if I said that though. Do you remember when you were a teenager?
Speaker 1 00:29:28 What do your parents know? And
Speaker 0 00:29:32 Yeah, I was just like, you don't know me. You don't know how I live. <inaudible> it's
Speaker 1 00:29:43 Not like that in today's world. Exactly.
Speaker 0 00:29:46 Um, yeah, maybe, but the thing is, is then like, as I grow older, I realized how much they did know and like really I should've been listening to them the whole time. <inaudible> exactly. So, yeah. I don't know. I don't know where I stand on that. And the thing is, is that the amount of things that older people do for their kids and their grandkids, like, I don't know that they have, you know what I mean? I don't think they're irrelevant in modern society. I don't think we've ever been of relevance. It's it's it's and it's strange that it is strange that there is that myth around that.
Speaker 1 00:30:25 Yeah. I mean, but as I'm thinking about it, I feel like maybe not directly, but I feel like maybe indirectly as a society, and I'm not saying that we do this, um, as individuals necessarily, but institutional, um, ageism sort of does propel that in some ways. Right? Like, like, like, like you, you mentioned this earlier, like when it comes to marketing, they market a certain subset, they disregard or discount except for niche products. Um, you know, um, the more aging populations, right? Like the world society, like living from living conditions like downtown is for the young and the suburbian is, are for the thirties and the forties and, and, you know, and then you have the, I don't know, retirement homes or something, the older people. So I don't know, like, it's just,
Speaker 0 00:31:23 Yeah, I see what you mean. And the thing is, is that like,
Speaker 1 00:31:25 Yeah, like we kind of forced those stereotypes over them and they sort of like put them in the perk, push them more towards the periphery of life. Um,
Speaker 0 00:31:35 Or even the fact that there is mandatory retirement. I mean, that kind of reinforces that too. It's just like, Oh, you served your use now, please leave. You know, so yeah, exactly. So, um,
Speaker 1 00:31:48 That's actually true, like in the sense of not, I mean, not that it's a true concept, but that people think that way, because I've read a number of articles where, or viewpoints where it's kind of like, you know, people complain that the reason they're not able to make progression in their careers because the older people are still are still in their jobs and still in their jobs.
Speaker 0 00:32:08 Yeah. Um, yeah, you're right. I mean, yeah. A lot of these myths are perpetuated by, I guess society's ages. I mean, with the caveat that we're talking about Western societies ages that
Speaker 1 00:32:19 Yeah. A lot of this is like North American, North American American West, like our experiences of what we're seeing. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:32:29 Exactly. Um, yeah. Cause like, I mean, we'll probably end up talking about that another podcast, but it's, it's interesting to see how different cultures view the elderly. So, um, so stay tuned. Um, but yeah. Yeah. I agree. Like I think I, yeah, there is this kind of institutional age-ism that like perpetuates these myths. Um, even though we know, like, even though we do know of, of, um, of even like stories that are personal to us where these myths are completely debunked and um, yeah. And yet, you know, we still continue to kind of perpetuate them or live by them. So, but yeah. Um, yeah, it's just interesting that the, who put out this like pamphlet and it's a little bit, it's a little bit eyeopening. And I remember like when we actually looked at some of the myths, like, you know, kind of a gas where like, how could they say that that's so mean, but yeah.
Speaker 1 00:33:26 I'm wondering if they felt that the need to address those myths for there, which is actually worrisome. I don't know. Like I see, I mean, you know, it's funny because I do see my parents getting older. Not that I'm not, but my parents, you know, like they're, uh, you know, in their sixties now and, and I kind of do catch myself sort of thinking, Oh, but he seems so frail. Like, you know, and I worry and, and um, you know, my mom, Oh, she seems so different from sometimes. And it takes me aback because I mean, you're used to sort of thinking of your parents as the problem solvers. And then when I go home and I sort of see that, you know, my mom is not quite like, she doesn't quite walk the same way or I don't know, just certain little things here and there, you know, that I think it throws me off. And so, yeah,
Speaker 0 00:34:25 No, I know like it happened, it often happened because I don't live with my parents and they, like, they live in a different province. And so like, I wouldn't visit them all the time. And so for the longest time, like I would come home for Christmas and you would like, in my twenties, they were just my parents. And then like later on, at one point I remember I would like come down the escalator to see them like awaiting you in kind of like a visiting area. And I'd see my father and I'd be like, Oh my gosh, he's an old man. Really shocking to me, you know? Like, but yeah, I dunno, like it still doesn't, um, it's, it's still, doesn't their age doesn't discount their life or their experiences. So yeah, like, it's interesting to see how society may potentially view them, but like when you, when you on an individual level, see these people, they're not, they don't match, you know what I mean? Like it's just, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:35:21 I'm actually reminded of, of, um, this whole conversation around, um, dressing a certain way. And, um, having that argument, like with my parents, with like, you know, this is like 20, 20 years ago or so like where it's like, but that would be like, are you wearing that when you're going out? And just a guest and my mom would be like, well, that's what they wear these days, you know, leave her alone, you know? And I've seen plenty of movies and stuff too, right there. That's played out. So clearly it's a stereotype that sort of, um, it exists for a reason. It exists for a reason. Yeah. But it just reminded me, like, as you were saying, like, you know, the parents and like, you know, the, how things change like, well, yeah, I just remembered like that used to be a thing. Whereas now I'd probably be the person who would be like, why is she wearing that totally channeling my father it's history repeating itself.
Speaker 1 00:36:21 At least it's not in a bad way. That's true. But yeah, it's fun to like, just to sort of go through this. I didn't realize that the who good, fine. Like when you told me about this, I was like, why, why did they need this? But, you know, it's kind of fun to sort of see where you stand on these issues. Right? Like, um, and, uh, I'm kind of feeling a little bit good about herself. Like we kind of don't necessarily, we will be self-selected ourselves and, and declared ourselves as, you know, bias free when it comes to these interesting point. Because like, are there any stereotypes that you buy into new thing? Oh, girl. That's for a different conversation.
Speaker 1 00:37:08 So maybe we should talk about that next time for sure. Okay. All right. Topic finalized. Great. On that note, um, I guess, you know, maybe we'll end it here for today and uh, we'll, uh, look forward to catching up with you next week. Yeah. Well actually, before we let them go. Um, so yeah, so just remember to email
[email protected] or does this make me look old at g-mail dot com? Um, yeah. Tell us about any myths that you have come across, um, or myths that you think are utter bullshit and that you've, you've debunked in your own personal life and or miss that you actually think are real, you know, that maybe we should.
Speaker 0 00:37:57 Yeah, exactly. Um, yeah. And, uh, yeah. Check us out on Insta and Twitter and you'll talk to you later. Bye. Bye.
