Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 00:00:03 Hi, and welcome to does this make me local, a podcast about aging as gracefully as possible when you're just not ready for two 40 something year old friends will find themselves kind of straddling that really odd period of time when aging and everything that it's associated with is starting to become a much bigger part of our lives. We're definitely curious, but at the same time, rather terrified about aging. I'm Schiff. I'm a health science nerd and pop culture themes, and I'm sin and adult and waiting obsessed with finance and self-help books. We're going to be talking about the stereotypes of aging and how they affect us. And we'll also be doing some deeper dives into some interesting topics, such as what it's like to get old in the society dating when you're older and scientific advancements in anti-aging products and even evolution and scientific thinking around aging and throughout it, all we chat rant laugh about are adulting mishaps of which there are so, so, so many. So join us as we navigate our second quarter-life crisis.
Speaker 2 00:01:09 Hi, and welcome back to this week's episode of does this make me look cool? Um, Hey Schiff, how's it going? I bet. How are you? Well, not too bad. Um, I, uh, it's been busy week as always, but, uh, you know, the, yeah, the Emmy's just happened recently. So, you know, I was excited to actually see an actual award show for some reason
Speaker 0 00:01:35 Where you see, whereas I totally forgot about it. And I think I got some notification on my phone and I was like, oh, the Emmy's
Speaker 2 00:01:43 I had originally forgotten about it until like it had already started. And then my mom was the one who told me she's like, oh, is not a word. And I was like, oh yeah, that's right. And this is, yeah, this is embarrassing, but it was fine. Um, yeah, it was nice to watch, you know, and comment on the dresses and the speeches and all of that stuff. So, yeah.
Speaker 0 00:02:08 So is it over? Oh, okay. Okay. I didn't realize it was over or recording. We're recording on the Sunday of the Emmy's. So I'm like, I don't know who won.
Speaker 2 00:02:21 Um, but yeah. Uh, you know, it's been a good, good, good day overall good week. Oh, it looks good. Not too bad. Yeah. I wanted to, uh, ask you, cause I know we have, uh, an interesting topic in mind while you have an interesting topic in mind that you want to raise.
Speaker 0 00:02:45 Interesting. It is
Speaker 2 00:02:47 Powerful, you know, uh, what, what do you call it? Is it like a Rite of passage of life? Like leave behind a legacy? It just sounds very, very, I don't know. It feels a very, it's like a grownup word word.
Speaker 0 00:03:04 You're like we're too young. We're too young to be thinking about legacies.
Speaker 2 00:03:12 No, I'm definitely curious. So I think with that, I'm going to hand it off to you actually, me more, what is this legacy thing you want to talk about?
Speaker 0 00:03:21 Oh, no. I was just wanting to talk about the topic of legacies. Cause like the podcast is supposed to be about aging. And so, um, I, I don't know. I've always thought about like the concept of legacy and then like, you know, as you get older, the thought about leaving legacies and whether or not people are thinking about them, if this is something that's common among like people who are older, um, whether or not you think about them, that type of thing. Oh, anyway,
Speaker 2 00:03:52 Let me start with a clarifying question. So when you're talking about legacies, right? Yeah. You mean like intangible legacies of like things you've done, you know, people you've influenced that kind of a legacy or do you mean like children or do you mean like money and property and you know, I'm going to have a unit in the, in the new hospital named after me a wing, you know, named after me kind of a legacy. What, what, what are you referring to overall?
Speaker 0 00:04:26 Oh see, but then that's exactly it. So I'm talking about all of it, because the thing is, is that like legacy basically means different things to different people. And then the question is, is that if you do, if you are thinking about legacies, what exactly are you thinking about and, and why? You know, so, um, yeah. And I think this is the, is does everyone think about legacy? Do you think about it more as you get older? Yeah. That type of thing. Or is it like a personality driven thing? Like do certain people think about legacies regardless of how old they are? So, yeah, it was more like, this is more like a riffing topic because, uh, I haven't actually read anything about it. I haven't read any like social science articles on it or anything like that. It was just like a concept that I was like, thinking about.
Speaker 2 00:05:11 No, but this is actually good because then it becomes more about how do you, and I think about it or feel about it. Right. Yeah. So, um, so, so tell me what, what do you think, so you think it's all of the above? Like, um,
Speaker 0 00:05:26 Yeah. Yeah. I think that, I think that anything can encompass a legacy. Um, it just needs to be something that basically lives on after you pass on. Right? Like that's the whole, like, that's basically like my definition of what a legacy is. And then the question is, is that like, um, if that's the case, then what do, like, what does one personally think of as a legacy? And it could be any one of those things that you mentioned, right? Like, so some people are more, or even more like, I I'm sure that, you know, they're their legacies that like, I haven't thought of myself, but like, you know, the other people do think of as legacies. So like, yeah. Cause like, you know, for, for somebody who has children, maybe their children or their legacy, or maybe they want to leave multiple legacies, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2 00:06:14 Or maybe the children getting into their university, their Ivy league university that goes on
Speaker 0 00:06:24 Isn't that what they call them at the Ivy league legs. Like there aren't they called legacy admissions or something like that.
Speaker 0 00:06:38 Yeah. So, um, actually that, yeah, that that's an whole other topic. Cause, uh, cause I I've heard that a lot of those Ivy league universities, like, oh, like, uh, a large proportion of them are legacy admissions, which then calls into question like nepotism, et cetera. And whether or not they're taking like spots away from like perfectly like viable candidates, but I'm not going to go into that cause that's a big brand anyway.
Speaker 2 00:07:04 Okay. So maybe we'll start with a basic question. Um, let's assume that you do want to leave a legacy, right? Well, we can do both like you, you do want to leave a legacy. What would you want your legacy to be shift?
Speaker 0 00:07:19 So the th well, I mean, I don't know. I think about this a lot and the weird thing is, is like, and this is what I was wondering because like, is this a personality thing or is this something that everyone does? Like once they get older, because I've always thought about legacy, like I've always thought about like, well, and the thing is, is that like, is it just something that comes with just like existential thinking, you know, once you think about your existence in the world and its purpose, like does legacy automatically become part of that? Do you know what I mean? So like, even like when I was younger, um, like I have thought about that, it's just kind of like, what do you want to do with your life? What do you want to be leaving for the future? And honestly I'm still grappling with it.
Speaker 0 00:08:05 Like I, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I want my legacy to be. I'm not sure. Like, I, I know that I think about it, but I don't really have an answer for it. Right. So it's just kind of like, I mean, cause you could go, you could do many things. You could, it could be a legacy that you leave through your work, right? Like what are you doing at work that can be like left behind and influence people after you're gone? Um, is it the mentoring that you do at work? Is it like people who you've brought up, like students that you've taught, you know, is it like people that have been in your work sphere who then like, who then carry on work that you're doing, like after you're gone? So yeah. So like there's many things that it could be through work and then like, or then is it something philanthropic?
Speaker 0 00:08:51 Like, do you leave money behind for causes? Um, you know, some people do buy like, or not buy, but like donate to create like a hospital wing or like scholarship funds or whatever, you know? Like, is that something that's a possibility? I don't know. Maybe so, uh, yeah. Like these are the things. Yeah. These are the things about that I think about. And then like, yeah. And then, you know, like in the other obvious legacy that doesn't really apply to me right now, but like, but like his kids, right? Like, could kids be your legacy? Um, which could be dangerous because they're their own people and you don't know what they're going to turn out to be. So anyway, I mean, yeah. So for me it's more like an abstract thought, but it's like, just thought that's been around for like decades at this point. Right. So I'm curious to know what you have you thought about this has like legacy been a part of your thoughts.
Speaker 2 00:09:50 Um, so, um, yeah, no, that's a good question. So I think like initially my answer would have been, um, no, but it's not to say that I haven't been, or it's not as though I haven't had existential crises. Uh it's it's several stages of my life. But, um, no, but I think like, as you were talking, I think I was kind of like thinking about it and I was like, well, I think I have in, in some respects thought about my legacy if you will, but I don't know if I thought of it as, as such, but it wasn't, um, the, the monetary or the children factor, but it was more, uh, along the other types that you were, um, giving examples of. So basically making some kind of impact, you know, on other people, um, through work or philanthropy, um, you know, those kinds of initiatives and, you know, sort of like doing something where even after you're gone, people kind of remember you for that. So it was more along the lines of people remembering me, I guess. So I guess that's tied to legacy, you know, it's like when you actually do that, I can continue to sort of, you know, uh, think about or receive or, or get some kind of benefit from, so
Speaker 0 00:11:22 Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 00:11:23 So, so maybe in that respect I have,
Speaker 0 00:11:25 Yeah. I dunno. Like, yeah. And then that's the other thing that I've like, that I've been thinking of with respect to legacy. Cause like at the end of the day, like there's very little that you can do that will actually sure. That you're remembered for generations. Right? Like, I mean like that's like, yeah, I dunno. I, I, sometimes I get into these like weird space head spaces where I'm just like, yeah, I don't know. And it's funny cause I bring this up all the time, but it's just like to this generation, like, do they remember somebody from like a hundred years ago? Do they even know about them? Do you know what I mean? So like feeling that like really after a generation or two, nobody really will remember you, but like what can you do? Just like, like, so yeah. So for me, it's not even really about, I don't know, like I've kind of given up on the whole like, will people remember me thing? It's more like, what can I do? That's like sustainably making an impact in the world. Do you know what I mean? Again, it doesn't necessarily even have to be about the memory of me, which is weird. Yeah. It's weird to be like, yeah, it's weird to kind of like not want yeah. It's not that I don't want to be remembered. It's more like, I've just come to the acceptance that like you won't be.
Speaker 2 00:12:45 Yeah. I'm after, you know, I don't know how long most people are remembered for, but yes, you're correct.
Speaker 0 00:12:55 Yeah, exactly. I know what, cause if you think about it, there are very few people in the world that are like truly like memorable, you know? So like I've just come to grips with that, but it's just more like, yeah. Like what can you, yeah. And I guess the, at the end of the day, it's more like it is an existential kind of question because it's just like, what, what is your purpose? Like what is your purpose right now? Um, how can you make the most of your life right now to make an impact on the world? Right. So then, um, yeah, I was going to somewhere with this and now I've forgotten my train of thought anyway, <inaudible>
Speaker 2 00:13:36 Uh, yeah, no, it was, I mean sometimes, you know, it's the legacy lives on through other people, right. So if you're talking about the intangible stuff, like behavior or reputation or, um, you know, some, some lessons that you've taught, some like, you know, you've taught students or different mentees and um, you know, and they might incorporate that into how they live their lives and pass it on. Um, you know, in a way that's kind of like you're left legacy.
Speaker 0 00:14:06 Yeah, yeah. I guess so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Too broad. Do you
Speaker 2 00:14:10 Think?
Speaker 0 00:14:11 I don't think it is. Um, yeah. Well, the thing is, is that like yeah. And the thing is, is that like, is that enough? Is that intangible enough? Right? Yeah. Cause, cause you know, you do influence people, but it's just, you never really like, I mean, sometimes you got it back.
Speaker 2 00:14:29 Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 0 00:14:30 Yeah. Yeah. Like sometimes you do get something quantifiable cause like somebody will come up to you and be like, oh thank you for doing this, that and the other, you know, like it really helped me whatever. And then, um, or, you know, like I still, I still think about it. It's like part of what I do or how I work or like whatever, but like a lot of the time it's kind of and far between. And so you're just kind of like, is this making an impact on people? Like, what's the point of it all because at the end of the day, the question is, is that the existent, the ultimate existential question is, is that like, it would be good to make an impact on the world, but like at the end of the day, if it doesn't really matter, then why aren't you living a life of hedonism? You know?
Speaker 2 00:15:17 Um, you know, good question. I think there is a school of thought around that. I remember reading a book called and this was years ago, so I hope I have the name of the author. Uh, it was called the hellfire club.
Speaker 0 00:15:36 Oh, okay. I do remember I remember the title.
Speaker 2 00:15:40 Okay. I think the author's name was Ash. Like the last name was Ash. It, you know, I can't remember if it was Jeffrey Ash or Jim judge sound, you know? Um, I'm pretty sure. Um, and I remember reading about, um, like, you know, throughout history, there have been groups of people who have wanted to basically live life to the fullest. Um, you know, so it's like a life of hedonism almost like where it's like, do what you want when you want, or, or it can sort of, you know, become an Inferno of, of self-indulgence if you will. But the,
Speaker 0 00:16:27 Oh no, it wasn't Ash. I'm looking at this
Speaker 2 00:16:31 Completely.
Speaker 0 00:16:32 No, no, no, no. It's, what's called the hellfire club and it's a novel by Jake Tapper.
Speaker 2 00:16:36 No, no, no, it wasn't a novel. It was a non, um, maybe I have the title wrong then it was, um, it was a non-fiction
Speaker 0 00:16:44 Yeah. Oh, I was nonfiction. You were saying, oh yeah. Okay. Yeah, this one's fiction. Yeah. Um, Hmm.
Speaker 2 00:16:54 I might have the name wrong. I will look it up.
Speaker 0 00:16:58 No. So the, how far club also refers to a name for several exclusive clubs for high society rakes established in Britain and Ireland in the 18th century?
Speaker 2 00:17:09 Yes. It was about that. So here it is. It's called the hellfire clubs, a history of anti morality by Jeffrey Ash. And, um, it was, but it was interesting to just read about like the start of some of these clubs. Right. Because of course it always descended descends into something that people it's beyond people's control once they take on a life of its own. Right. Um, but the movements, um, throughout history, I think there were lots of those things where they were talking about, like it started off, you know, with wanting to live life to the fullest kind of a thing you, and then it kind of devolved. It was quite interesting read. Like I remember enjoying it. Um, so yeah, so it's, um, you know, something worth checking out, but that is actually a very good question that if this is what it is about, like then why are we not living a life of hedonism? You know?
Speaker 0 00:18:11 Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, that's the thing, like, it's just kind of like, you do want to, like, I guess my issue is like, if you you'd like to leave a legacy to feel like you're, you've done something right. Like that, you're the point of your, like the point of existence actually like means something, but then like if it doesn't actually make, I dunno, like it's just like, how do you quantify the difference that you make? And it's something that like you yeah. And it's something that's like, non-quantifiable like at your death. Right. And so, yeah. So the question is, is like, like, should you bother? Like, that's the other thing I wrestle with? I'm like, should I even bother? I don't know.
Speaker 2 00:18:56 Good question. So I don't know, like maybe, maybe if, say for example, um, you leave everything in your will like any monetary value to like, um, to an organization that fights climate change, for example. Right. Not fights it, but like for it, do you know what the right word is?
Speaker 0 00:19:16 No. Yeah. It's fights climate change and climate change
Speaker 2 00:19:23 So aggressive. So I got all confused, but you know what I mean? Like, right. So in, in a way that's actually a quantified way to, um, leave a legacy behind right. Where
Speaker 0 00:19:41 That's true. Now, the thing is, is it is true. Like you've left a certain amount of money behind, but then the question is, is in order for it to be sustainable, it needs to be in a trust or something in order to actually like continue to make money. Correct. Yes. In order to continue to fund it. And so then like, yeah. So, I mean, I guess that's the issue is just like, you don't really have control of it after you pass on. And so you can't really know whether or not it makes as much of an impact as you want.
Speaker 2 00:20:10 True. Yeah. That's that is true. I don't know that is that, that actually sounds a lot sadder than I want it to feel today.
Speaker 0 00:20:20 Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 00:20:23 For this to happen. And yet you're gone. So you actually don't know.
Speaker 0 00:20:29 Uh, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. And then,
Speaker 0 00:20:34 Well, yeah, hence the struggle. Right? Cause like, I don't know, like, yeah, I'm always, like, I'm always curious about these like funds and things, like how much money started them off. Who's actually in of the finances. Who's like, how is it continuing to make money? Like these types of things, right? Like, um, cause at the end of the day, that's what you want to do to leave your legacy. Then like you have to make sure it's sustainable because if it only, if it only funds things for like, let's say 150,000 and then like you're saying, oh, okay. So let's like create, I don't know, two grants out of this. Um, but like without depleting, the whole fund, like at the end of the day you have some money left over and it could easily just be for the, the one year. Right? Like you could easily deplete like the entire, like all the, all the funds, like within one year. And so it was just like, okay, I'm like how much of an impact is that? Or is it just the question of just leaving it, you know, like left some money, you made some impact. Anyway, I dunno. These are the things I think about.
Speaker 2 00:21:43 I'm actually surprised that you have been thinking about this for a while and you still haven't been able to land on an answer for yourself.
Speaker 0 00:21:51 No, no. Well, yeah. I mean, well, no, I mean on some level, like I do have an answer for myself because the work that I do, I realized like does make some impact, however small, which is why I do the work. I do. Like obviously I probably will probably leave money to philanthropic causes after I'm gone, but yet it's just the question of like how to make them sustainable and how to keep them going. Right. Like I think like for my work, I kind of come to this conclusion that like it'll make the impact that it does and that's fine. And then after I pass on, like work will be done after it, that builds on it and that's great. And like, that's just, yeah, that's just, that's just the nature of my work. Um, but like yeah, in terms of the philanthropic causes, it's just like, Hmm. Like how do you keep that going? Right. Like,
Speaker 2 00:22:44 You know, it's funny, um, as you were talking and I think it's awesome that, you know, you're, you're focused on the philanthropic, um, aspect of leaving a legacy behind, right. The sustainability of something. I wonder like, you know, when it comes to like consumerism and capitalism, like Steve jobs, for example, and he literally, you know, left, left this whole legacy of apple and iPhones and iPads and, you know, I w but he saw during his time and I Thought about it in terms of legacy, you know, or like drugs and stuff, you know, we're like, oh, well, I started Facebook, you know, I just wonder, like what, what, um, how it would be interesting to sort of figure out or find out like what their thoughts around leaving a legacy is.
Speaker 0 00:23:41 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. But then part of me wonders like, like a thousand years from now is apple still going to be around, but do you know what I mean? Like how, how sustainable is that legacy? Like, yeah. Apple has been around since 84, which is great, but like our 76 or whatever, you know? Um, when was it anyway, whatever 73. Yeah. Like, I guess the question is, is that like, which is like a significant amount of time in terms of like, you know, like, like in, in terms of a lifetime, but I'm like, is it still going to be around in a hundred years? I don't know.
Speaker 2 00:24:18 But maybe the idea of it right. Of like what it did might. So, but you're right though. Like, I, you know, you, you made a very strong point, like about the individuals themselves might no longer be remembered at all. Right. So, I mean, off the top of your head, would you be able to say who invented the toaster or something On the computer? I mean, I'm sure some people would be able to do it. Um, but, uh, and that was not even that long ago.
Speaker 0 00:24:51 No. And I was just thinking, I'm like, wasn't that Babbage and Lovelace, but anyway, go on, Sorry.
Speaker 2 00:25:08 Anyway,
Speaker 0 00:25:11 Wrong, wrong,
Speaker 2 00:25:14 Not wrong. Or even if you are not a lot of people just for the record, I did say that some people would be able to Sidebar. Okay. Let's thinking of introducing a segment that just says, Schiff, ruins everything on Adam ruins everything, but she grew in everything.
Speaker 0 00:25:54 Oh, my God
Speaker 2 00:26:00 Kind of made me feel oddly proud of you. You're right. Because being right on this is absolutely much higher kind of oddly, like, you know, kind of like, Hey, I know this chick,
Speaker 0 00:26:29 I could be totally wrong. I just, them, they contributed
Speaker 2 00:26:34 With so much,
Speaker 0 00:26:38 Uh, I'm sure our listeners will let us know. I'm sure somebody will be like, yeah, you guys are, she was totally off her rocker. Oh my God. Anyway, go on. Yeah, no, you're right. You're right. It's true. Like, yeah, there are all sorts of things that we use in our day-to-day lives that like make our lives better. But like, it's true. I have no idea who made my toaster, you know what I mean? Like it's like, oh, okay. Like, thank you. Thank you for making my breakfasts easier. But like, I don't know who to bank
Speaker 2 00:27:12 Was. Was she, wasn't she the daughter of Lord Byron the poet?
Speaker 0 00:27:19 I think so. Yeah. Yeah. She was, yes. I think she was ADA Lovelace. I think so. Or related to him in some way, there was like some relationship between her and Lord Byron. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:27:28 Yeah. No, that's actually super kind of cool that it's a girl, But it was just so funny. And then I was like, of course, make her feel better.
Speaker 0 00:27:50 Anyway, I interrupted you. So your point is, is that like yeah, like we won't. Yeah. Like through generations we like start to forget that.
Speaker 2 00:27:58 Yeah. But, but I think the, the fact that the, this kind of, you know, technology was invented, you know, and, and it has led to the state of our lives today, or it is impacted our lives today, as we know it in a significant way. Um, you know, I think that, that's the part that that's kind of like the remnants of that legacy, you know?
Speaker 0 00:28:22 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And like, I mean, yeah, yeah. I, it would be nice to be able to build to something like that, but like, I mean, I'm not, I'm not holding my breath for myself, all this. Like
Speaker 2 00:28:35 I don't like 99.9% of the things that I talk about.
Speaker 0 00:28:45 Ah, I know, but that also brings up the question is just like, does everyone think about this? Like how do or did people start, like, do people like, have people always thought about this over their life? Or is it something they like, some people start thinking about more as they get older, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 00:29:02 And you know what, I honestly, I think that the whole, like, I think what triggers that line of thinking that, you know, the existential crisis or whatever, what have you, right. I think, um, it, it does, I think everyone does think about it in some shape or form, like what is the meaning of my life, right. What, you know, like, yes, the broader scheme of things, it's like, oh my gosh, what is life? What does it mean all that fine. But I think regardless of how philosophy D people get, um, when it comes to themselves and, and what does it mean for them? And you know, how, what's my purpose? What makes me happy? What, you know, I think those kinds of thoughts everyone does think about it. And I mean, I would like to think that people then realize that the best way to that answers their question, um, for themselves and has a positive impact on their legacy is the realization that, you know, at the end of the day, let me do the best I can with what I have, you know, I mean, I feel like it's a simple but difficult ization.
Speaker 2 00:30:23 Like it's in a way it's kind of like, well, yeah, just live your best life, but, or, you know, do the best you can. But I think the amount of thinking and understanding yourself that goes into it is a little, and the timeline differs for person to person.
Speaker 0 00:30:41 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would probably agree. I, you, yeah. I'm sure everyone has like, had these existential crisis at like some point in their life, you know, I'm just wondering, yeah. It'd be interesting to know whether or not like people have more of them as they start to get older, you know, like, as they're like winding down their work and like whether or not it continues after they retire and that type of thing, like, cause it's very easy to get caught up in the, well, the work I do is obviously important and that's my legacy, you know?
Speaker 2 00:31:15 Yeah. So I guess I'm kind of curious because if you thinking about wanting to leave a legacy, right. To me that suggests that you're forward-thinking cause you're kind of like, how do I want to be remembered? What do I, what good can I do? That's going to be sustainable. And long-term, so it's a very forward-looking thing. And yet I also feel like legacy has an element of traditionalism in some ways. And, and you know, and the people start thinking about legacies when they're feeling almost like when they're taking a stock of their lives and, and focusing on the past. And so I dunno, it just, it's, it's just an odd observation, I guess like where I'm like, wow, it's this legacy itself is actually more forward-thinking than I think I realized until this moment.
Speaker 0 00:32:14 Yeah. It's true. Because you are thinking about like, because technically you are thinking about the future, like in a future without you. Right.
Speaker 2 00:32:21 Which honestly, it doesn't make me happy at all. I mean, surely the world cannot be happy without me and it, even though only like six people know who I am.
Speaker 0 00:32:42 Oh my goodness. I know it's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's true. But then I guess, yeah, I didn't really think about the fact that it might actually end up being taking stock of your past. I've never thought about that. I've never thought of it like that, but I guess on some level it could be
Speaker 2 00:33:03 On some level. It is right. Like it's, it's, it's kind of like, I've come this far, whether it's in terms of money or personality or whatever it is, right. That you want to leave a legacy on or you can leave a legacy on whichever it is for you. But, um, but yeah, I don't know. I think at any way, for me, I think I kind of associated, um, uh, some reflection of the past as, as part of, you know,
Speaker 0 00:33:31 That's part of the process. Yeah. Hmm that's that's something to think about. I've never, I've never actually thought about it that way, but yeah. I mean, yeah. Especially if you're thinking about in like traditional, like if you're thinking about like traditionalism terms, like yeah, definitely. You would be thinking about like your legacy to date or like what, or even like things that have influenced you, whether or not that's your own family or your own history or something. Yeah, yeah. Possibly I could see that. Yeah. I guess it depends. Yeah. I guess it depends what your legacy is, maybe what you think of as your legacy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:34:13 Yeah. I'm actually, I'm reading this interesting book on the moguls. Um, you know, the, uh, whatever the, the mogul family that, you know, basically started with, um, I think you say bopper, um, was the first one and you know, like how he conquered and created this entire empire and left a legacy for his son and all of that, and I'm reading it. And it's actually interesting because, um, this whole concept of, you know, um, like, you know, as we're learning about history and stuff, like normally we only focus on, you know, the highlights, right. So,
Speaker 0 00:34:56 And the conquerors and whoever got to row write the history after.
Speaker 2 00:35:03 Um, but as I'm reading this book and I think it covers all of the major mogul emperors. Right. So it covers, it starts off with the bobber Babar bumper.
Speaker 0 00:35:14 Oh, wait a minute. When you're saying moguls, you don't mean M O G U L. You mean like M U G H a L.
Speaker 2 00:35:20 Yes. That's right.
Speaker 0 00:35:22 So we'll call it.
Speaker 2 00:35:24 Oh, okay. Um, yeah, so, so, um, um, so, um, so those, um, emperors, right? Like they left legacies off, you know, the Taj Mahal and things like that behind. Um, and, but as I'm reading it, you're starting to sort of see how they themselves didn't actually realize, um, you know, just exactly like what they're building towards. Right. Like they knew like, like, you know, bopper was like conquering and, and, and he had, he got all this land and then he left it for his son, but then our, one of his sons and then that son, um, was basically, he lost so much of the territory almost was going back to like, like as an, I just finished the part where one of his advisors, or, or I think one of his enemies advisors writes a letter and basically says like, you should just go back to Kabul. Right. Like where you're, you know, and, and, and it's like the, the, the shame of it, like, you know, for him, like where it was like, you know, I had this giant empire and I'm losing this battle and I might have to move back and have to figure out another way to get it back. Right. It was just interesting because even when you're trying to sort of, you know, you have a legacy, you're trying to leave it, but you actually don't know how it's going to evolve and, and actually work out for you.
Speaker 0 00:36:56 Yeah. I'm wondering about things like that, because like, and yeah. And like, so for a lot of people, legacy is family, right? Like legacy is like what you leave to your kids, what your kids leave to their kids, blah, blah, blah. Right. Like entire M like, like the Hilton empire is built, like basically like that, you know, like a lot of rich families, like that's, that's their legacy. Right. So like, um, but I always think about that because, you know, there's also that entire theory about how, like the, like, among the generations, like, by the time you get to the third generation, like being tired, wealth is like dissipated or gone, or, you know, basically people are living off the spoils and like, can't sustain it. And it's, I'm always curious about that. Cause it's just kind of like, what happens, like why where's the knowledge transfer?
Speaker 0 00:37:42 Like why? And I mean, I think that there was a book written on this, which I haven't read, so sorry, but yeah. Like it's just like, where does the knowledge transfer disappear? Because like, part of it is drive cause like the first person who gets the money, like they have the drive to do it. And so then that's how, and it kind of, it kind of goes with this and we'll call emperor. Like, it goes along with his Mughal emperor, like bobber, but like he had the drive to actually conquer and like, and set out this conquest and actually gain all this land. But then like his son on the other hand grew up always having it. Right. Like knowing that his father was the leader over all these like people. So like he doesn't technically have that inner drive to do more or like conquer more or anything. Right. Like, he's just, it's kind of like a given that, like, I haven't, I'm the son and I have this. Right. Like, so, and, and there's no, like I wonder, like, it's curious, like, I'm just always wondering, like, why doesn't the, why doesn't the father like instill kind of like the fear of possibly losing the land. Do you know what I mean? Just like, you always have to be on top of this because you can lose it really quickly. And yet like that doesn't actually come into play. Right. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 2 00:39:05 Because the father probably was so busy building it. <inaudible> Amazing. I'm trying to figure that. Yeah, no, I have no idea, but that's a good question. I don't know. Yeah. Obviously that family did manage to, you know, regain some impact for a few hundred years.
Speaker 0 00:39:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. And then until Like, it was lost again really quickly anyway, but like, like over the hundreds of years, it doesn't matter at the end of the day. Right? Like now these people are just kind of like footnotes in history and you read about them and it's just like, oh, at one time there was this Mughal empire. And like, it's been this amount, it's like the Roman empire, right. Like it's stretched from lake England to like, you know, like, you know, Turkey and some and, and whatnot. And it's just kind of like,
Speaker 2 00:40:04 We make Oscar winning movies of using
Speaker 0 00:40:08 Exactly. Exactly. And then the span of things like for a human life, like, yeah, it was a while, but like in the terms of like the entire universe is life, it's like a blip, right? Like, like stress over this, like this. So this is always what I think about. I'm just kind of like, does it really matter anyway?
Speaker 2 00:40:32 Okay. I don't want to actually, yeah. I don't want to end on like, oh my God doing this,
Speaker 0 00:40:44 Don't leave a legacy to your life.
Speaker 2 00:40:48 I, I much prefer I'm more patient of legacies and, and sort of say, you know what, even if it is sustainable for a little while, that's still more good than not, and maybe it'll help someone else build their legacy. That's true. And it can be an end and the cycle can continue that way. Like it's not your money or your whatever, but at least the next level while you know,
Speaker 0 00:41:25 That's true. Okay. I'd like to think about it that way. That's good.
Speaker 2 00:41:30 That's going to be my interpretation and I'm going to stick with it because I'm a Pollyanna. Sometimes it's one of those cases where I'm going to be that Pollyanna.
Speaker 0 00:41:40 Good job. Anyway, I think we should probably call that an episode. You got the really deep, dark, morbid thoughts on my end and then the happy thoughts on Simpson. So
Speaker 2 00:41:57 It's one of the perks of not having thought about this issue deeply at all.
Speaker 0 00:42:08 I'll just take your track of thinking and just, they keep going
Speaker 2 00:42:13 Head hurts just from like trying to figure out how I'm going to navigate through the week,
Speaker 0 00:42:19 Let alone leave a legacy.
Speaker 2 00:42:26 Yeah. We should definitely call it an episode here, but we should also probably do a little bit of research because now I'm really curious. And so also, uh, you know, let, let our listeners sort of, you know, chime in and then, and send us notes or, you know, so if you want to email us that, does this make me a little cold, um, at g-mail dot com or join the conversation, um, you know, Instagram, um, does this make me look cool? Um, same handle on Facebook, um, as well as Twitter. So yeah, let us know what your thoughts are around that. And um, so until then, we'll see you next week.
Speaker 0 00:43:08 Sounds good. Bye
