Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:03 Huh.
Speaker 1 00:00:04 Hi and welcome to does this make me look old, a podcast about aging as gracefully as possible when you're just not ready for two 40 something year old friends will find themselves kind of straddling that really odd period of time when aging and everything that is associated with is starting to become a much bigger part of our lives. We're definitely curious, but at the same time, rather terrified about aging. I'm Schiff. I'm a health science nerd and pop culture themes, and I'm sin and adult and weighting obsessed with finance and self-help books. We're going to be talking about the stereotypes of aging and how they affect us. And we'll also be doing some deeper dives into some interesting topics, such as what it's like to get old in the society dating when you're older and scientific advancements in anti-aging products and even evolution and scientific thinking around aging and throughout it all we chat rant laugh about or adulting mishaps of which there are so, so, so many. So join us as we navigate our second quarter life crisis. Welcome back to this week's episode of does this sneaky look cooled?
Speaker 0 00:01:17 Um, so, um,
Speaker 1 00:01:19 Yeah, so today we wanted to actually touch on something that, uh, I'm just so embarrassed to buy all of it. Anyway, I'll get into why I feel embarrassed by all of it. Okay. So what we want to talk about is essentially the power of language today. You might be wondering what does that have to do with getting older? Well, it turns out it has a lot to do with getting older and, uh, and the reason a short synopsis into the reason why I think we're sort of cringing a little bit is because we're recognizing how we might have been contributing to this misuse of power, um, when it comes to this language. So basically today, we're going to be talking about the language of ageism and how, in some small ways we seem to capture you just by the way we speak. So, uh, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:02:15 So, um, I guess how did this come about? How did we decide to do this topic? Oh my gosh. You know, I'm trying to remember, was it someone who mentioned it to us about the language, because in researching something else, I think I might've stumbled onto like the ARP site and I think they decided to do, I think that's what it was. It was like they had a, they had a little piece on like how you can sometimes be ageist when you're using your language. Yeah. Yeah. And I think then we got into discussion about it and we're like, okay, we should talk about this. And so then we also came across a couple of, uh, research articles about age-ism and the language of these ages also then one of them, um, is, uh, so that, hang on, let me pull it up for you guys.
Speaker 1 00:03:03 So one of them is, uh, the language of, age-ism, why we need to use words carefully. And so it was written in the gerontologist in 2016 by, um, the first author was Tracy L gender or jumble. I'm not really sure how you say the last name. Um, and then, uh, the last author is John T. White. And, um, the another article that we come across is, um, and it's, it's kind of quite relevant to us today. It's called the consequences of agent's language or opponents, and it's written by Clara Berridge and Nancy Wieman. Um, w I'm so sorry, I'm butchering your names, but, um, and then that is all written in commentaries on gentle gerontological social work's response to COVID-19. So, um, yeah. Anyway, so did you want to chat a little bit, so maybe we'll just chat a little bit about one of the articles. It's kind of a, it was a bit of an eye opening article for me, because I was just like, crap.
Speaker 1 00:04:02 I know it's really funny because, um, as she was reading this, she would literally stop every 30 seconds to say, Oh my God, listen to this piece and listen to this line. So I'm full caveat. I didn't end up reading the full article because I was just relying on her, distilling the information for me. And this is very, um, reflective of how a lot of this research gets done around here in the interest of full transparency. And now that we're actually using language to, you know, I'm like, Oh, I it's. So anyway, uh, I don't know what it has to do with language, but I just felt the need to confess before we get into this. I think it was because you just feel like you need to unburden yourself with, uh, any, any transgression that's totally gosh though, but, but it is shocking. Um, and, and, you know, as you were speaking and giving me those examples and, and what we were talking about, um, I just realized that even now, like one of the most popular means is the thing that says, okay, boomer. Yeah. She realized that. And, and, and right now it's like, literally just came to me and I'm like, Oh my God, like, that's like a joke, but not a joke a little bit.
Speaker 1 00:05:33 I just tried to downplay it because I'm literally so embarrassed by all of us. But like, yeah. And the other thing I was that I realized when we were reading this article was that like some of our previous podcast episodes are like, kind of ageist anyway, but we'll go into, we'll go into it a little bit, um, in a little bit more detail in, in, um, in a few minutes, but, uh, yeah, like I feel like, I feel like we're just internalized some of this each summer. And then when the term that we should be using is that it's internalized microaggressions. I learned I was listening just for the record, internalize my progression. That's exactly it. And so, um, yeah, it's, this is cringe-worthy because I just realized, like, I always joke and I'll be like, cause I tend to go to bed really early and wake up really early.
Speaker 1 00:06:24 And so whenever ever someone expresses shock or, you know, that I'm up or, you know, staying late or the fact that I go to bed so early and I'm, and my line default line is always, Oh yeah, I'm like a 90 year old man, you know? And I'm like, why did I look like, as you were anyway, there's so many, that's just one example of how, um, an ageist language linguists, like, again, what's the right word. How do you, what do you say? Like, yes. Yeah. Basically, but you're using language ages, lexicon. How's that <inaudible> hashtag lexicon. Yeah, exactly. So, um, yeah. Yeah. It's funny because a lot of the things that you say you think are super innocuous, but then if you look at the look like people look at it a little bit closer, you're like, Oh, wait a minute. What am I really saying when I, when I say this line?
Speaker 1 00:07:32 So, um, so, um, I'm gonna be talking mainly about this one article from 2016, um, which is, uh, it's interesting because, uh, basically what the authors did was they do this, it's a co it's a qualitative study, and they basically looked at tweets that a lot of health, um, or students in that health care industry, basically. So it was, um, um, here, I want to get this right. So it was basically, um, medical, the majority of the more first-year medical students. But I think there were also nursing students that were involved. And, um, I think, let me think maybe pharmacy students as well. Um, yes, it was medical pharmacy and nursing. And so they basically, they basically created the senior mentoring program, um, that was supposed to discuss like, um, the care of older adults, as well as, um, uh, gerontology, which is the study of older adults.
Speaker 1 00:08:34 And so, um, yeah, so they, they basically, uh, partnered teams and students with an older adult living in the community. And then later on the, um, students were allowed to participate in group blogs and like reflect on the learning that they gained from their experience with their mentor. Um, and they carried out, um, you know, surveys around attitudes about aging and older adults. And so, um, Oh actually that brings me to another thing I need to talk about, but anyway, the methodology then get back to this because this is how I have my brain works.
Speaker 0 00:09:11 It's the scientist note that I'm patiently waiting for her to finish this methodology discussion because it's totally, I'm totally not paying attention to this,
Speaker 1 00:09:23 So exactly what happened, but also, and so then they were also allowed to publicly post their tweets about what they learned on their own Twitter, Twitter accounts. And so, um, the tweets were supposed to represent the learning that they gained from interviews with their mentor. And, uh, yeah. And so then they want it to basically like understand whether or not there was any like, uh, language based discrimination that would show, um, instances of ageism in the tweets. And so they looked at, um, like at least 350 tweets. Yeah. And then they, and then they analyze them and put them into different groups. Um, basically, uh, all these different groups that explain types of ageism that you can have, which types of themes
Speaker 0 00:10:21 I'm like, wait, I don't remember this.
Speaker 1 00:10:25 So anyway, I'll also, I'll go through, I'll go through some of the themes that they had placed as well as the definition. I don't know if you guys want the definitions, but anyway, we'll chat and then I'll have the links go through examples of yeah. But then you'll find out that some of them are ages and some of them you may actually do quite regularly. Um, I found out anyway, so the other thing I wanted to talk about was the use of the term elderly. So parent me, um, a lot of people do not take well to the term elderly, because, and then in one of the articles, they did mention this, that elderly, the term elderly sort of connotates sort of a, like a frail. Yeah. And so, um, and it's, and they called it a bit paternalistic in the way that it's used.
Speaker 1 00:11:20 So now the term that you have to use, I don't know if we have to use it, but it's recommended, recommended that you use is older adults. And if you're actually, and this was interesting, especially in the COVID 19 article, was that they discussed that, um, especially in terms of health policy, to not lump people into seniors or the elderly, because some people may not identify with those groups and then they would miss messages that are actually applicable to them. So she really wants in that the public health realm to talk about, you know, older adults, then you should actually use the tool. You should use the age range, which actually given how this whole pandemic vaccine thing is rolling out. That actually makes sense, right? Like if you say, you know, I don't know, 20 to 30, 35, whatever, like the different age ranges, then people are able to sort of self-identify and say, Oh, I am, you know, whatever age and the policy that applies for this hour is this.
Speaker 1 00:12:19 And so even though, you know, the policy will change the next hour, at least, you know what to look for, not bitter, not bitter. So, yeah. And the other thing that is interesting is that at least with eight, like with age ranges, there's no judgment. No, it's just, it's just your age. If you use words like elderly or senior, there's almost like there's a little bit of a judgmental. Totally. I mean, not in always in a negative way, but there is an element of some attribute being attached to it. Like whether it's positive or negative, some, um, attribute like, you know, the word senior implies something exactly different things for different people, but there is an implication, correct? Yeah. So, um, so what are the themes four themes? So one of the themes was assumptions or judgments, kind of what we're talking about. So like generalizations about older people and example. So an example of that, so one of the tweets was growing older is seen as a privileged by some adults. Although older adults lost the capability of performing their activity, activities of daily living, they still appreciate their independence and try to live their lives to the fullest. I don't understand what that means. I think, I think that's just the fact that there's a generalization that older adults will lose their capabilities to know. Yeah. So I think it's just that.
Speaker 1 00:13:56 And I think it's also at the end where it says they're capable of living their lives to their fullest, almost with the implication that if you get older, you can't, that's what I'm saying. Granted, none of us have like seriously, wow. I can see somebody tweeting this and thinking that it's just like factual, but like there's a little bit of like judgment, like yeah, no, you're right. Like, it's kind of like, well, if you're older, um, implicitly a you're like you said, you're not living your life to the fullest, but you can't live your life to the fullest to right. Cause I'm hearing both things here. There's an element of, Oh, you're you might not be able to, even if you want. Um, so yeah, no, that does sound annoying. And then this one, this one was kind of weird. It was this one was this really strange to me, but somebody said older patients don't have many opportunities for touch. So again, hugs.
Speaker 1 00:15:08 So wait, this person thinks that old people don't have families and loved ones and that they're all alone kind of bothers me about this. It's just like, um, I really hope you get consent for those funds. I was an older person deprived. Oh, that one's stupid. And this was a health professional. I feel bad anyway. Okay. So then the other one was the other theme was seeing older people as different. And um, so one of the, so one of the tweets was treat elderly people as normal people. No difference, which is yeah. Treat elderly people as what normal people. Wow.
Speaker 1 00:16:16 I'm sorry. My mouth just dropped open. And this happens a lot during these conversations that we have, because I feel like every time we did dive into one of these topics, I just learned something that's so utterly ridiculous that I don't know how to react. So some people apparently think that elderly people are not normal, not all going to get cold. So it's funny because so one of my pet peeves was when we diminished, um, like for example, millennials, right? Like, you know, sometimes they'll be like, Oh, millennials are so entitled. And like the older people and that also got my, because I'm like generalize an entire, I don't know, like 20 years of people born between the range of 20 years as, as something like, you know, just giving them some certain attributes where you're like, Oh, they're all so and so like entitled or rude or whatever, you know? And I'm like, no, we were all like that at a specific age. We just are no longer at that age group. So we don't react that way. But we don't remember that. That's what we would like, the tools might be different. The technology might be different, but I feel like the emotions and the desires are all motivated by the same things. Right. Like you're looking for stuff. And so this is like twice as bad as like normal people.
Speaker 1 00:17:50 Yeah. So that was one. And then, um, yeah, so this one I'm also hungry. So I'm probably might be a little bit more angry might have gotten to me because I'm like, Oh no, I just realized I started, I mean, I am very angry at this, but it might not sound proportional to my normal self. I'm always angry. So interesting because like, I think that the person realized like keen toward realization. Um, but then, um, they had said something at the beginning, but then it said, made me realize the importance of treating the elderly, the same attitude and approach as treating younger patients. That's nice. The sentiment sentiment is nice, but I think that they do realize that they had this, you know, attitude about older, older patients that is now being revised, but it still highlights the fact that there are these kind of assumptions that are made about older, older adults.
Speaker 1 00:19:04 So, um, yeah. So then the other thing, and this is something, but like, this hurt me because I was like, Oh crap, I do this all the time. So, okay. So the other theme is uncharacteristic characteristics. What does that mean? Okay. So this one I will define because I was just like, wow, what does that mean? It's a definition is characterize a certain behaviors that are unusual or outside the norm for an older person. Okay. So basically if you're behaving different than what you're expected to, you're recognizing that somebody behaves differently that an older person can do this type thing.
Speaker 1 00:19:47 So these are some of the tips and I do this, Oh my God. I do this all the time. I wish when I grow old, I can still be as fashionable and full of life as my mentors. Yeah. Women were older than me, but I was going to say, but in general, it's, it's usually set in admiration of someone who you think is very fashionable and who is, um, not that I'm trying to defend you because you're my friend, but don't you think that sometimes it's because I feel like sometimes, um, there's almost an expectation that if you get older, you shouldn't be keeping up with fashion or trends. That's the assumption, right? That's the internalized ages. And that you've had, which is that, well, I'm old. I don't have to worry about it. Something like that. Yeah. So I think that's what they're saying is that when you say something like, Oh, I want to, I want to, when I grow up, I wanna be like this woman, like I want to be Jane Fonda and like, but anyway, no, no. But yes, go ahead. I need to unlearn some stuff.
Speaker 1 00:21:18 I need to unlearn some of these attitudes, which is that I think you assume that a woman in that age would not want to like, yeah. Light bulb moment. I was literally feeding into it right now in my defense. I was defending her. I was being a good friend, but you are right. Oh, that's true though. And I feel like, and I honestly feel that our age, our podcast on like a number of our other episodes where we say something and then they don't realize that, Oh my gosh, we were actually giving into like my birthday week. I won't lie. I was having a rough time.
Speaker 1 00:22:09 Uh, junk food may have been consumed. I get that kind of like, well, yeah, this is what I find interesting is that this article is really bringing out sort of like the internalized, like these internalized judgments and opinions that we have about like older adults. Right. It's funny because like even positive stuff, right? Like, like when we say like how I've heard that a number of times, like, so my mom for the longest time looked more like my older sister and I'm saying this because that's what literally people would be like, Oh my God, that's your mom. Like, she looks like, are you sure? And they actually meant it.
Speaker 1 00:23:02 Yeah, exactly. I used to be offended because I'm like, so what are you seeing that I look as old as my mom, my mom laughed it up. But, but, but I think like how often do we say it is a positive thing where it's like, Oh my gosh, you don't look like your age at all. So I'm going to get to that. Cause that's actually what what's coming up, coming up. Oh, okay. Wow. Okay. So, um, yeah, so I really wasn't paying attention. Like you, like, you must've covered it when you were telling me about this.
Speaker 1 00:23:39 Let's just say that one of the other, uh, one of the other, um, tweets that came up for characteristics was 94 years old and still sharp as a tack. Like, so like yeah. Huh? Gosh. That's like equivalent of my gosh. She looked fabulous for a 60 year old. Exactly, exactly. Yeah. So, um, okay, so then one, so this is the next, the next theme that comes up is kind of goes to like your entire discussion about your mom and like the ages between the two of you, but, okay. So one of the themes was old as a negative and young as a positive. So old is a negative. So some of the tweets were my mentor, a 71 year old grandma proves that age is just a number. Oh my God. I know. So then, um, and then, yeah, so basically it's just like, when you, it is just a number of bucks and I'm saying this because I use that as a hashtag.
Speaker 1 00:24:41 Yeah. Or something like, uh, just had an intriguing combo with a new friend who happens to be 80 years young. And so just the fact that you're using the word, like, you can't use the word old because it has negative connotations. Like that's an issue. And so I'm working through that one that kind of goes to like your entire conversation with your mother and, you know, because it was like, um, awkward in both ways. Right. Because I was reacting, like what, why do, why do you think I look older? Right. And I was reacting to that. So giving into that stereotype of looking older is not a good thing. And then my mom was lapping it up, like in the sense like, Oh my gosh, I look younger than I am. Right. And my perpetuating, the whole thing, this is painful. This is a painful conversation. The other thing that I came across and I think I've not treated, I don't tweet.
Speaker 1 00:25:44 Um, so I think I, I forwarded, I think I texted this to you, but like there is, there is some data out there that says that internalized ages begin as young as four years of age, which is crazy to me. That is crazy. Yeah. Can you imagine, like, if you've already internalized ageist attitudes at that young in age, like how it just must be so elaborate that article. Cause I'm trying to remember. Cause I don't remember. So it's like a really interesting article. It was a bunch of, um, uh, it was a study done a bunch. Okay. So caveats, this was studying Europe. It was so cultural implications might be different. Yeah, exactly. Got it. So, um, but it was an interesting article where the, uh, so actually let me quote, let's give credit where credit is due. So the article is in frontiers, in psychology, it's titled old age related stereotypes of preschool children.
Speaker 1 00:26:39 Um, the first author is Alison shlemiel and the last author, Stefan, Adam. And, uh, yeah. So it was, uh, let me see, when did they publish this? Oh, actually it was published in 2020. So it's like hot off the presses. Um, considering 2020 was a wash. Yes, exactly. Um, so, but they did a really interesting study in which they looked at, um, the attitudes that a group of preschoolers had preschool are kind of being a little bit vague because like they, they interviewed a group of kids from the age of three to six. Some of them were preschool. Some of them probably already were to already have started school. Um, and so, uh, yeah, so they talked to them about their thoughts on older adults. So one of the, one of the questions that they asked them was, you know, kind of give, give me the first five words that you can think of when I tell, I tell you that
Speaker 0 00:27:42 Three-year-old was able to answer that question. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:27:45 Yeah. Not all of them, but a significant portion of them actually gave at least one word to five words. Most of them gave at least one word. So yeah. Wow. I think I just realized that. I just imagine, like, I don't know, like how extensive vocabulary three-year-olds half, like that's interesting. Yeah. That was mine.
Speaker 0 00:28:19 Can they count up to five? I'm just joking.
Speaker 1 00:28:23 I have a three-year-old nephew, I guess. And he's just the cutest.
Speaker 0 00:28:29 I know he's super smart. So I know he can count.
Speaker 1 00:28:34 Oh, totally. So, yeah. So they basically asked, uh, this group of, um, children, what their, uh, the first thing that they thought about when somebody was, um, old talking about like an older person and, um, yeah, so, so, but they also asked the same question, their parents to see if there was any like similarities and differences. And um, so they found out that the majority of, so it kind of split like a third, a third, a third among the kids. So like a third of the responses were positive. Like a third of them were negative, a sort of a more neutral. Um, but among parents it's the majority of them were positive. So I think about 40% of the words were positive and they thought about older people, 42% were negative because they're thinking of like someone in their family, like grandparents, I think that's what it was.
Speaker 1 00:29:25 So then they basically said that a lot of the, like a lot of the positive feelings around, um, old age, more among children who saw their grandparents when they were thinking of an older person side question. I, and I don't know if they ask this question, so maybe you can tell me, did they ask like what age they thought was old? Because I don't know if you remember, but do you remember, like it was when you were younger? Like, I don't know. Like I used to think like 21 sounded old when I was a kid and then 30 sounded like, Holy crap. So like, did they ask some of the negative words that were coming up or things like disability, not being able to walk well wheelchair. So I have a feeling they were thinking of, you know, probably people in, you know, like they're like, you know, seventies enough, I would think.
Speaker 1 00:30:22 Interesting. Yeah. So, yeah, but it would have been interesting to see exactly what they defined as an older person. Um, but yeah, some of the positive connotations were, you know, like things around warmth and love and kindness. Like I remember even when we were in grade eight, I think it was in grade eight or grade seven. I can't remember, but my homeroom teachers, 30th birthday came up and we were like, Oh my God, Mr. Anyway, we were like, you know, Mr. Owl, you know, you you're just turning 30. Like what the heck? And he's like, so what, he's not that old.
Speaker 1 00:31:10 He was so offended. We were like, that is so old. And this is when we were like, I don't know, 13 years old, you know? So imagine what two, six year olds, it must be like, cause um, my other nephew, my seven-year-old nephew, um, you know, when my, when it was my birthday, uh, he was like, how old are you? We were like, um, I was like 20 and he goes, Oh, okay. And he took it at face value. That's a lot of conflicting emotions. That just for the record though, it wasn't me. Who first said that I was 20, it was his mom, but I happily accepted that.
Speaker 1 00:32:07 Okay. So then let's get back to this other article that you were talking about. So then there's three more. Um, you read a lot of articles by the way, and I know you keep sending them to me and I'm sorry, I don't read them, but this is good for me because then this way I can just ask you a podcast chat about them, even though did you get the unfiltered reaction of what I'm really thinking? It's all authentic here. People it's real time. Um, okay. So then, uh, so going back to the original article about each his language, um, so the other theme that they were talking about was infantilizing. Oh, excuse me. Young miss. No. Oh no, no, no, no, actually it's more like, okay, so one of the, like that feeling. Yeah. So, all right, let's talk about this. So, so one of the tweets was best quote from our mentor quote, we got married because we could never finish an argument. I've been still, haven't a truly adorable and inspiring couple. Oh. So it's like, it's that kind of language or what a sweet woman I'm guilty of that.
Speaker 0 00:33:31 I just remembered.
Speaker 1 00:33:33 I called an older, older than me. Yeah. Very adorable. Yeah, exactly what it is. So it's like somebody who's like an older, who's older than you like cute or adorable or like, I am so guilty
Speaker 0 00:33:49 Of this. There was someone
Speaker 1 00:33:51 I know. And um, he's just like, and he's a self proclaimed curmudgeon. And he loves to be like, Oh, like, you know, like I'm a curmudgeon. So I just find it adorable. And I say that and I'll be like, Oh my God, it's so adorable. Yeah. So I am so sorry. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. So one of the other examples they gave was what a sweet woman. I especially love her little winks hashtag here comes trouble. So, um, yeah. So this is, these are the kinds of, yeah. It's essentially treating them like they're four years old. Oh, that's terrible. Oh my God. I am actually cringing at that one because I am very guilty. Actually. This is something I think I, that one, I definitely will have to be more mindful of it because it is extremely rude. Not that I intended it to be, but it isn't, that's the thing is that like, nobody does this with intent.
Speaker 1 00:34:56 It's just, it comes out of you and you don't realize just the effect that it can have on people. Right. So gosh, things that I'm unlearning today, I have to learn all of this. It's just like, Oh, like I clearly have some issues to deal with. So then the other, and I think this, these next themes are like, especially relevant because I feel like, I feel like I have some of these and I'm sure I'm sure once I actually explained them to you, a lot of you may feel like you have some of these two, one of them is internalized ageism. And so, um, yeah, so, so one of the quotes is there's still so much learn even at my age, hashtag always more, always more to learn. Um, and then, um, another tweet is, and so this is from one of the students talking about what this mentor is saying.
Speaker 1 00:35:51 So the mentor sayings, so the mentor is 76 years old. And when asked if she considers herself to be old, she says, Nope. And then continues to refer to the other residents as quote old people. So, so, so like it's interesting that even, you know, even once you get older, like you still refuse to be part of that community. Right. And I feel like, and I feel like I do this, right. I do this even in my forties where I'm just like, I'm not old. I know my other line is who you calling that's the problem is that we internalize this attitude that we're feeding into and feeding into it. Yeah. I know. It definitely. Um, it's funny cause you're right. Like, I mean, what constantly, I mean, it is perpetually feeding into it by like joking about memory loss, um, you know, body senior moments.
Speaker 1 00:36:47 I mean, you've known me long enough to know that I'm perpetually in, like I have a backache actually I'm constantly going for massages. I'm constantly like, you know, like we'll be at like at someone's house. Like, you know, and like with my close friends, I'll be like, here, take a hammer. I get me my arm. So I'm constantly in pain. And I think it kills me to think that, um, you know, like when I'm even older, people are going to be like, Oh, you know, she she's always in pain because she's old, but it's actually not even true, but I've always been in pain. So, um, yeah. I don't know what I'm saying. It's just, it's interesting that you say that because on some level, because we kind of internalize this kind of ages them in some ways it can kind of backfire for even younger people a hundred percent as you know, because yeah.
Speaker 1 00:37:42 Like, I mean, if you, if we're all internalizing ages and then you'd go to a physician and they have all these internalized attitudes about age, then they're more likely, well, actually it could go one of two ways, right? Like they can downplay somebody's pain when they're older, just putting it down to and I'll be like, excuse me, no, this is because of reason X, you know, and I've been in pain since I was 26 years old. So fix it or even like what, or even so, you know, somebody who's even older than you may just be like, whatever, you know, you're in your seventies, this is what happens when really like, maybe you should be looking into this because it doesn't necessarily have half that sexual trigger. Or the other thing is, is that they made that downplay your pain at 40 each because they may just be like, uh you're you don't understand actually that did happen a little bit. Um, you know, in my twenties. Right. Um, so when I started having this pain, everyone was dismissive. Like now they're like, well, why didn't you start this treatment earlier or whatever. And I'm like, but I was like, but this is like, I kept going like appointments and you said, go for a massage.
Speaker 1 00:39:08 So yeah. Anyway, but you were right. Um, but all these different internalized things, like I am really, really guilty of it. Like I think I perpetually feed into it. I even had my reactions on our birthdays and stuff. Like it is something that, where it's coming from a place of, Oh, do I really want to get old? I don't, I'm not comfortable. You know? And it's all because I think I have these things running in my head that somehow if I'm getting older, I'll be losing whatever quality is that. Um, yeah, exactly. And I know in some ways this entire podcast could be slightly aged. We're just trying to work through it. Right. I think that's what it is. And at the end of the day, I think, like you said, like the intent is important as long as you're trying and you know, and I think that's what it is like, and that's a reason we kind of brought up this article because it's, it's about learning about these issues. Right. And learning about the fact that we probably carry a lot of interns.
Speaker 1 00:40:14 And then finally the last theme that they mentioned was internalized micro-aggression. And so that's basically discrimination that communicates hostility derogatory or negative slights and insults. And so, um, yeah. So then, uh, so some of these were examples for this tweet it's we don't think of ourselves as old, our mind says we're teenagers, but our body just slows us down. And so that's like from somebody who was the mentor and then, um, so somebody tweeted, um, advice on how to keep your practice running smoothly. And this is what the mentor said. So the older amount, older mentor, the older mentor said beacon listeners, but don't let seniors talk for too long. What's yeah. So, I mean, that sounds that doesn't need some microaggressions. That doesn't sound, that just sounds like correction macroaggression over there. Yeah. So yeah, so it's really interesting, like, um, the language that people could use even, even among members of their own community.
Speaker 1 00:41:16 Right. It's just, uh, it's really interesting now. Holy crap. So anyway, I think I really want to hear what other people might have, um, as examples of, you know, they're internalized microaggressions, they're internalized Milan, uh, logs. Are there stereotypes that they've been, um, that they, that they didn't realize that the use? Yeah. I'd be curious to hear about that. So, um, if you are on social media, check us out on Facebook or Instagram handle is, does this make me look old, same with Facebook or email us and just make me look old at g-mail dot com and, uh, yeah. We'd love to hear from you about all the stereotypes you walking around with when it comes to you and the language you use phrases you use, um, that might be ageist. Yeah, exactly. Or just email us to tell us we're being like too, uh, we're being too politically correct. There is no such thing. Um, yeah, but anyway, yeah, for sure. Just email us or, you know, just get in touch with us and uh, we'll see you next week. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:42:28 Bye. Bye.
